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Old 03-26-2008, 04:27 PM   #1
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suspension: cause and effect (long read, but informative)

this discussion i'm sure might get pretty technical....so beware.

as MOST everyone knows, a basic suspension setup is a VERY important thing to do to your bike. just like your tires, the suspension helps keep both your wheels planted on the ground. (advertisement: Motorcycles Unlimited does a basic suspension setup for $25, it's quick and painless ) knowing what the bike is doing underneath you is an extremely important tool to help you gettin faster and keep you from doing face plants on the asphalt.....

here's one that caused my 120-130mph highside crash at MSRH (in bold)


Rear Compression

SOFT: Let’s imagine that you are exiting a corner on your motorcycle, and the bike is leant over and you start to accelerate smartly. If the compression damping is too soft, you will get too much rear end “squatting” causing a “nose up” situation. This will cause your bike to drift wide on exit of the corner. This is not the same as a too much of front compression damping which causes the bike to drift wide on entry to the corner.

HARD: On the other hand if your rear compression damping is too hard, you will not get enough “squatting” and therefore may not get enough traction. This will cause a bit of rear wheel spin, or the rear wheel suddenly “kicking up”. You can imagine what can happen in extreme circumstances.

if you want to read more....click this linky

http://www.gostar-racing.com/informa...ion_set-up.htm


DISCLAIMER: I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST GOING TO A PROFESSIONAL LIKE MOTORCYCLES UNLIMITED FOR GETTING YOUR SUSPENSION SETUP DONE. THIS IS YOUR LIFE AND YOUR BIKE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, AND WHO IS TO SAY THIS WEBSITE IS CORRECT OR NOT, NOT EVERYTHING ON THE INTERNET IS TRUE!!! I JUST FOUND THE LINK AND SHARING IT WITH MY FELLOW MH'ERS. I ONLY POSTED THIS SO YOU GUYS/GALS CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHATS GOING ON UNDERNEATH YOU SO THAT YOU CAN EXPLAIN TO YOUR SUSPENSION GURU ON WHAT NEEDS TO BE ADJUSTED.
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nice read for a noob like me. anywhere on the SW side, preferrably near 6 and 288 that can do this?
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nice read for a noob like me. anywhere on the SW side, preferrably near 6 and 288 that can do this?
Make the trip up north to Motorcycles Unlimited. They did mine on Saturday. Super sweet now!! Hard to find someone that'll help, answer questions, and go the extra mile.
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nice read for a noob like me. anywhere on the SW side, preferrably near 6 and 288 that can do this?
it takes only minutes....and it's a nice brisk ride up there to Motorcycles Unlimited.

you will not be disappointed, they have trackside support as well, so maybe check when they will be at MSRH again, since MSRH will be a lot closer to you.

you don't want to just go ANYWHERE for a suspension setup, go to someone reputable, cuz seriously...it's your life/bike we are talkin about here.
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thanks Tony ! will you set up mine ?????
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thanks Tony ! will you set up mine ?????
yeah, bring the bike by, and i'll adjust a few settings and IF you return, i'll dial it in some more
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Getting it set to baseline is the best way to go BUT you have to fine tune to your riding style from there.

Race settings on the street will get you in a bind real quick.

You can do the sag yourself with help from a friend, then do the zip tie trick to fine tune.
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Also as you get faster that the setup will have to grow with your skill set. Example:
The setup for running a 1:45 at MSRH will be different than one setup for running 1:38's. Not saying you couldn't run a 1:38 on a slower setup, but the bike will more than likely be more stable with the faster setup.
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Here is another good "how to" on suspension

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0402_susp/index.html

They also have recommended baseline settings for pretty much all bikes since 97
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Also as you get faster that the setup will have to grow with your skill set. Example:
The setup for running a 1:45 at MSRH will be different than one setup for running 1:38's. Not saying you couldn't run a 1:38 on a slower setup, but the bike will more than likely be more stable with the faster setup.
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Also as you get faster that the setup will have to grow with your skill set. Example:
The setup for running a 1:45 at MSRH will be different than one setup for running 1:38's. Not saying you couldn't run a 1:38 on a slower setup, but the bike will more than likely be more stable with the faster setup.
How do you know when it is time to change your set up?
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i got mine done last weekend @ Motorcycles Unlimited .. have to go back for some other adjustments..
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How do you know when it is time to change your set up?
when you ride harder....and if the bike isn't responding like it used to.

i.e. harder to hold a solid line, running wide on entry/exit, nose dives under heavy braking going deeper (might be bottoming out front forks, wrap a ziptie around the fork tube and you'll know how far the forks are compressing), tire wear might change....etc.
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good post! dave moss is very informative as well.
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yeah, bring the bike by, and i'll adjust a few settings and IF you return, i'll dial it in some more
great !!! i'm off this sat,show me how to get to shop or where to meet you.thanks. sure you can dial in more for mine suspention ?????
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