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Old 03-18-2008, 12:16 PM   #21
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because your head was already too full of it?:dontknow:
nope... nuthin but bong smoke up there
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Old 03-18-2008, 12:57 PM   #22
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I think people tend to overanalyze crashes Basically your tire slid and you weren't able to feel it in time to back off. It happens.
Interesting. That could be the case with my crash.

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you need to lean in a bit over but not quite off the seat and less throttle of pushing it. Hope that helps.
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As a newb, i was enjoying riding with some guys this weekend, but never had understood shifting weight and leaning into the curve, slightly off the seat to the side...

I would appreciate someone helping my mind understand the physics of why it helps lower the cg or explantion of why hanging slightly off the side helps with leaving the bike more upright while still getting a good turn radius. Some help for the newb please. This really interests me. When on the street carving up back roads (not to the point of squid like dragging knee on a the street), but leaning into it, do you slightly hang your body eight off the bike a little, and do you let your knee out a little... or do you just hold tight and squeez the tank with the leg... (i'm not wanting to look like a wannabee knee dragger) Proper position?
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As a newb, i was enjoying riding with some guys this weekend, but never had understood shifting weight and leaning into the curve, slightly off the seat to the side...

I would appreciate someone helping my mind understand the physics of why it helps lower the cg or explantion of why hanging slightly off the side helps with leaving the bike more upright while still getting a good turn radius. Some help for the newb please. This really interests me. When on the street carving up back roads (not to the point of squid like dragging knee on a the street), but leaning into it, do you slightly hang your body eight off the bike a little, and do you let your knee out a little... or do you just hold tight and squeez the tank with the leg... (i'm not wanting to look like a wannabee knee dragger) Proper position?
Come to our Texas Track Days event next weekend at Grand Sport Speedway and you can learn for yourself in my Novice class It will be teh best $140 you'll ever spend riding!
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As a newb, i was enjoying riding with some guys this weekend, but never had understood shifting weight and leaning into the curve, slightly off the seat to the side...

I would appreciate someone helping my mind understand the physics of why it helps lower the cg or explantion of why hanging slightly off the side helps with leaving the bike more upright while still getting a good turn radius. Some help for the newb please. This really interests me. When on the street carving up back roads (not to the point of squid like dragging knee on a the street), but leaning into it, do you slightly hang your body eight off the bike a little, and do you let your knee out a little... or do you just hold tight and squeez the tank with the leg... (i'm not wanting to look like a wannabee knee dragger) Proper position?
next time when you are out riding, try get off the bike you will see by leaning over the side of the bike, you are turning even if the bike is straight up. That is why they encourage riders to lean in more to get the bike upright to have better contact patches.
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I would appreciate someone helping my mind understand the physics of why it helps lower the cg or explantion of why hanging slightly off the side helps with leaving the bike more upright while still getting a good turn radius.
First, understand that not all racers actually get off the seat as most people try to teach. A LOT of racers do, but not all, it all depends on what works for you. When I'm riding a hard pace at the track, I tend to get off the seat pretty well, about "1 cheek" I would guess "Getting off the seat" lowers the cg of the bike in the corner because in a lean, the cg "changes" basically because the upper weight of the bike is now lower to the ground along with the lower weight of the bike. By bringing your off the seat and toward the ground, you're bringing the cg down with you. Again, not all racers do this, and there is no perfect riding position- it all depends on your comfort level and how you ride. I know plenty of racers who never touch a knee to the pavement, and some that never have and are some of the fastest racers out there. Heck, Ronnie Lundsford, one of the fastest guys I know, especially when he was a bit younger (but still waaaaay faster than me now!) doesn't look like he moves on the seat at all!

One of the biggest points about cornering is looking through the turn and turning your shoulders in to the turn. This alone can make a huuuuuge difference in your cornering ability!
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When on the street carving up back roads, but leaning into it, do you slightly hang your body eight off the bike a little, and do you let your knee out a little... or do you just hold tight and squeez the tank with the leg... Proper position?
Again, for "proper position", it all depends on your school of thought for riding style and what works for you. Through instruction and seat time, you'll start to figure it out. If you got in to racing, you'd learn even more.

Personally, I get a bit off the seat (depending on the corner, it's a dynamic thing), turn my shoulders in to the turn, look waaaaay through the corner, weight the inside peg as I come to the apex and then start weighting the outside peg as I roll on the throttle out of the corner. Again, it's dynamic (ever-changing) and depends on the track and corner, speed, traffic, etc.

I'd love to see you come out and sign up for a beginner level ("noob") group track day, our highly experienced racing staff will get you through your first day in fine fashion. We have a very well developed curriculum and have honed it for the past 8 years with our very well experienced staff! Our next track day is this Friday in Cresson- check www.lstd.com for all the 411
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Come to our Texas Track Days event next weekend at Grand Sport Speedway and you can learn for yourself in my Novice class It will be teh best $140 you'll ever spend riding!
is there any thread that you dont find a way to pimp TTD... geeezus !
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One analogy my simple mind grasps (that may be realistic or simplistic, who knows) is if you have a string and attach a weight to it, then swing it around in a circle- the weight will go around that circle at a faster pace (as the circumference is smaller, and the weight gets closer to the "center"). Similarly, if you move your body weight off the bike, the additional mass on the "inside" will increase the speed of the bike going around the circle.

I have no idea if that makes sense, but it works for my simple mind!
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I'd love to, but financially i can't afford that, plus rental, i have have a leather aplinestars jacket, but no leather pants, and no racing boots, only aslpine stars street boots....

I want to desperately, but again, i really can't afford it regretabbly. Someday!
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good one Tony ! hows that 1000RR treatin ya ?
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good one Tony ! hows that 1000RR treatin ya ?
Bang! Zoom!

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HOP knows i jus be playin...
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I'd love to, but financially i can't afford that, plus rental, i have have a leather aplinestars jacket, but no leather pants, and no racing boots, only aslpine stars street boots....

I want to desperately, but again, i really can't afford it regretabbly. Someday!

you don't need racing boots, as long as you have boots that is higher than your ankle should be fine. So, you are only short in pants and corner working should pay for the trackday itself. You get to watch and learn what others are doing and save money. Sell the trackday credit and get you the pants and more corner work to ride. No excuses if you wanna go but if you are scared of wrecking out and hurting yourself, we understand. Better to learn and wreck on the track than on the street.
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you don't need racing boots, as long as you have boots that is higher than your ankle should be fine. So, you are only short in pants and corner working should pay for the trackday itself. You get to watch and learn what others are doing and save money. Sell the trackday credit and get you the pants and more corner work to ride. No excuses if you wanna go but if you are scared of wrecking out and hurting yourself, we understand. Better to learn and wreck on the track than on the street.
+1, good post there.

Not to mention, there's usually someone that's selling used gear for cheap.
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! we just whored this thread up with spam!
i think every organization except ridesmart got in on this one! hahaha!

good explanation Tom!

Sorry Jody, but gotta promote TTD! Didnt realize I was getting as bad as Tom! haha j/kTom!
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! we just whored this thread up with spam!
i think every organization except ridesmart got in on this one! hahaha!

good explanation Tom!

Sorry Jody, but gotta promote TTD! Didnt realize I was getting as bad as Tom! haha j/kTom!
we should just rename the thread TRACKDAY PIMPS & HO'S
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