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Old 03-16-2008, 03:21 AM   #1
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Aftermarket cams for an 03 r6.

anybody know a company that makes them and can be found here in the states?
only company I have found is Kent in UK
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I know a dude that builds WSBK engines in Plano. I'll hit him up and see what he recommends.
What are you looking for, exactly? The more info you give me, the more detailed his response will be.
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I am trying to get a true 125-130 whp on 93 octane if thats possible. mid range loss is not that big a deal for me. this bike is my sunday romper and is rode pretty hard.
I have seen some cam specs but i would imagine i would need to tell the builder a lot more than that.
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have you tried asking this over at r6messagenet? I bet someone over there has been there and done that before. . .
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I am trying to get a true 125-130 whp on 93 octane if thats possible. mid range loss is not that big a deal for me. this bike is my sunday romper and is rode pretty hard.
I have seen some cam specs but i would imagine i would need to tell the builder a lot more than that.
Alright, bud. I'll send him a pm. He usually checks in during the week, only.
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I am trying to get a true 125-130 whp on 93 octane if thats possible. mid range loss is not that big a deal for me. this bike is my sunday romper and is rode pretty hard.
I have seen some cam specs but i would imagine i would need to tell the builder a lot more than that.
Hope you've got very deep pockets Oh yea, you have
With head work, cams, kit head gasket, timing mods, full Evo system, PC, total loss ignition, 2005 model throttle bodies (cause they're bigger) you should get there
but I wouldn't run it on 93 Octane
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have you tried asking this over at r6messagenet? I bet someone over there has been there and done that before. . .
yes I did. r6messagenet and r6forum.
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Hope you've got very deep pockets Oh yea, you have
With head work, cams, kit head gasket, timing mods, full Evo system, PC, total loss ignition, 2005 model throttle bodies (cause they're bigger) you should get there
but I wouldn't run it on 93 Octane
well i have the full evo system, pc, v stacks, and slide stops already on and the factory pro +4 timing disk/wheel on order . I also have headwork being done currently.

I guess i need to source the the 2005 throttlebodies and some cams

I will go to a 636cc if i have to but i think it would much more badass to make the same power with a 599cc.

P.S. what is a total loss ignition?
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Alright, bud. I'll send him a pm. He usually checks in during the week, only.
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well i have the full evo system, pc, v stacks, and slide stops already on and the factory pro +4 timing disk/wheel on order . I also have headwork being done currently.

I guess i need to source the the 2005 throttlebodies and some cams

I will go to a 636cc if i have to but i think it would much more badass to make the same power with a 599cc.

P.S. what is a total loss ignition?
Who's doing the headwork? Have they talked about degreeing the cams? That should give some more top end. Probably get you closer to the power mark you desire.
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Who's doing the headwork? Have they talked about degreeing the cams? That should give some more top end. Probably get you closer to the power mark you desire.
He did mention that but I have seen european bikes dyno a lot more with headwork and cam. over the american bikes with just headwork and degreed cams.
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well i have the full evo system, pc, v stacks, and slide stops already on and the factory pro +4 timing disk/wheel on order . I also have headwork being done currently.

I guess i need to source the the 2005 throttlebodies and some cams

I will go to a 636cc if i have to but i think it would much more badass to make the same power with a 599cc.

P.S. what is a total loss ignition?
That's going to be a beaut

Total loss ignition is where the charging system is removed and the bike then relies on what is in the battery to run the Fi systems.
Typically we could run race distance on a good, fully charged battery but had to use spares for warm up and practice.
The process involves removing the generator and windings which not only saves weight but eliminates the magnetic drag associated with generators.
This is a cheap and very effective way of increasing performance.
Several kit generators are avialable but these are costly ($1600 for the kit ZX6RR ) by comparrisson.
We never had the budget and opted for the cheaper fix.
I wouldn't recommend total loss for road use obviously but a kit generator will find you some horsepower but just as importantly from a race perspective allow the engine to spin up faster .
Having said that not sure if it could cope with lights and can't remember if it will plug into a standard loom :/:
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Total loss ignition is where the charging system is removed and the bike then relies on what is in the battery to run the Fi systems.
Typically we could run race distance on a good, fully charged battery but had to use spares for warm up and practice.
The process involves removing the generator and windings which not only saves weight but eliminates the magnetic drag associated with generators.
This is a cheap and very effective way of increasing performance.
Several kit generators are avialable but these are costly ($1600 for the kit ZX6RR ) by comparrisson.
We never had the budget and opted for the cheaper fix.
I wouldn't recommend total loss for road use obviously but a kit generator will find you some horsepower but just as importantly from a race perspective allow the engine to spin up faster .
Having said that not sure if it could cope with lights and can't remember if it will plug into a standard loom :/:
I knew several people runing constant loss on zx7rr's and they wouild only last for a ouple laps race or one track days session before spark stated cutting out. constant loss is a no go for street IMO. lightening the crank would yield a good spin up gain also.

also lighter wheels would yield big gains also and make you feel you have more hp.
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I knew several people runing constant loss on zx7rr's and they wouild only last for a ouple laps race or one track days session before spark stated cutting out. constant loss is a no go for street IMO. lightening the crank would yield a good spin up gain also.

also lighter wheels would yield big gains also and make you feel you have more hp.
ZX7RR's run carbs don't they ??
Surprised at that as less drain than a Fi system !!
We could run 25 lapper plus sighting and warm down laps on the R6 Fi.
I'd track day it and get 2 sessions but not three before changing the battery or putting on boost charge through a static lead.
Either way no good for the street.
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ZX7RR's run carbs don't they ??
Surprised at that as less drain than a Fi system !!
We could run 25 lapper plus sighting and warm down laps on the R6 Fi.
I'd track day it and get 2 sessions but not three before changing the battery or putting on boost charge through a static lead.
Either way no good for the street.
these guys were running the full on superbikes that were sold by hawk kawasaki. 2d datalogging system and all. maybe it was a session or two heck it's been so long ago i don't remember the EXACT details except that you can't run that system on the street. well you CAN but not for long.
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these guys were running the full on superbikes that were sold by hawk kawasaki. 2d datalogging system and all. maybe it was a session or two heck it's been so long ago i don't remember the EXACT details except that you can't run that system on the street. well you CAN but not for long.
Hawk Kawasaki's would have kit generators for sure !!
unless they were removed prior to sale which happens !!
Glen Richards used to have those things sideways against the 1000's
Wondered where those bikes got too
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I am trying to get a true 125-130 whp on 93 octane if thats possible. mid range loss is not that big a deal for me. this bike is my sunday romper and is rode pretty hard.
I have seen some cam specs but i would imagine i would need to tell the builder a lot more than that.

125 / 130 rwhp from an '03 R6?

Not possible with stock pistons, head etc, especially not on pump gas. (You can add nitrous though)
Cams are also going to further focus the powerband towards the top end of the rpm range as well.
You're still going to be hard pressed to hit the numbers you're looking for, and the engine will not be dead reliable.

If you're looking for more power, buy an '08 R6 and still be prepared to dump some money into it.

I've seen some very leaned on FX R6s that make in the 123- 125 rwhp range, and that's on U4 or MR9.
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Hawk Kawasaki's would have kit generators for sure !!
unless they were removed prior to sale which happens !!
Glen Richards used to have those things sideways against the 1000's
Wondered where those bikes got too
i was under the impression that hawk ran constant loss just like the kaw team in wsbk. I know the endurance kawasaki ran kit generators but i didn't know the sprint bikes did.
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125 / 130 rwhp from an '03 R6?

Not possible with stock pistons, head etc, especially not on pump gas. (You can add nitrous though)
Cams are also going to further focus the powerband towards the top end of the rpm range as well.
You're still going to be hard pressed to hit the numbers you're looking for, and the engine will not be dead reliable.

If you're looking for more power, buy an '08 R6 and still be prepared to dump some money into it.

I've seen some very leaned on FX R6s that make in the 123- 125 rwhp range, and that's on U4 or MR9.
the man knows what he speaks for sure.

i figured the light wheels and lighter unsprung weight would give the feeling of more hp.
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Our BSS 2004 R6 made 125RWBHP (on Elf 104 octane race fuel) at its best.
standard pistons (by regulation), tuned head, kit loom, cams etc etc
lasted just about the whole season (with one refresh) by which time it had dropped to 117BHP before it imploded.

Simon Andrews on the Piranha Yamaha running full Motec ignition and YEC kit had 132RWBHP on Elf 104 Octane race fuel it is reliably rumoured.
Still less than the Hondas at that time !!

Both these bikes ran in the British Supersport championship equivalent to your AMA.

The 2008 R6 being tuned for AW who rode the 04 R6 is making 138RWBHP even before the compression has been.................. "fettled"
first proper shakedown tests this weekend at Donnington Park :thumb
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