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Old 03-02-2008, 08:54 AM   #1
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Tire Warmers on street rubber!?

I'm getting a set of tire warmers within the next week or so, which leads me to ask a interesting question. I've read/heard that since a street tire i.e. Pilot Power, has more oils in the rubber than a race set, using tire warmers on them causes them to get a little too hot and brings up a little too much oil casuing them to be a little slick. Just throwing this out there to see what most of you have to say about this. Looking for a few answers! Thanks!
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Old 03-02-2008, 09:22 AM   #2
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street tires have extra silica in them to help them heat up quicker. they wont get as hot on the street as they will on the track. If you are planning on using those tires on the track, chances are you wont be going fast enough to even need tire warmers. If you are going to use them on the street with warmers, hope you dont plan on stopping. Overall not a good idea to use with those tires! Your answer is in your question.
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Pretty accurate above, it's not so much that you won't need them because you won't go fast enough, it's just that the tires will heat up to a good usable temperature on their own simply by design.

Tire warmers will not help/ hurt anything really. Street tires are designed to heat up quicker, and get more life.

The trade-off is the tire wear vs grip. Street tires will take longer to wear, but at the sacrifice of some grip.

I'd save your money until you get up to a solid pace and are using track compounds.
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tire warmers for street tires are a waste of money.
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Thanks!

Exactly the answers I was looking for! Thanks guys.
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Old 03-02-2008, 11:24 PM   #6
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...say I had a set of tire warmers for the other bike, would you guys say it is not worth it on the Pirelli Dragon SuperCorsa Pro's, as they are a more aggressive street tire?
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Old 03-03-2008, 01:03 AM   #7
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unless you live in the moutains, any heat you put in the tire with the warmers will be lost by the time you get to the twisties. Again, a waist for the street.
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Old 03-03-2008, 01:35 AM   #8
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Warmers are nice on track days because... you never have to worry about cold, slippery tires on the first lap of the session, and once you set your hot tire pressure, the warmers will keep you there all day.
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Warmers are nice on track days because... you never have to worry about cold, slippery tires on the first lap of the session, and once you set your hot tire pressure, the warmers will keep you there all day.
With track compounds, yes. Street tires are designed to heat up quickly, and will be fine for your average street rider on the track.

Squanto, any street tire, even the aggressive ones, are not going to benefit from warmers. The composition of the tire is designed so that warmers a are a waste of time/ money.

Now, will it "ruin" a street tire? No, but it won't really help it either.
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here is what Pirelli says for the Dragon Supercorsa Pro

> DOT Race tires at economical price point
> Ideally suited for Intermediate to Advanced group
> Tire warmers recommended, but not required
> Proven performance with 16 AMA podium in 2006
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Warmers are nice on track days because... you never have to worry about cold, slippery tires on the first lap of the session, and once you set your hot tire pressure, the warmers will keep you there all day.
That's why you take it easy on your first lap. Get some heat into the tires and to see if anything has happened to the track since the last session.
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here is what Pirelli says for the Dragon Supercorsa Pro

> DOT Race tires at economical price point
> Ideally suited for Intermediate to Advanced group
> Tire warmers recommended, but not required
> Proven performance with 16 AMA podium in 2006
They will always say that if it's classified as a "race" or "track" tire. Clearly, Pirelli calls this a "track" or "race" tire, and not a street tire.

If you have street tires, by all means get some tire warmers and use them. It won't matter to me if you use them or not. It won't hurt anything but your pocketbook.
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yeah the Pirelli supercorsa Pro tires was always a little confusing to me. It's called a DOT race tire, so I'm thinking it would be to slick and not heat up fast enough for the street or you wouldn't be able to keep enough heat in them at street pace. But then I see they come standard on the Ducati streetbikes like the 999, 1098 etc.. I was thinking of going to those next when my speed picks up some more on the track. Right now I sport the Corsa III which seem to be great at my pace.
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I wonder if they (racers) use warmers on the Pirelli Corsa III spec tires??? I don't remember what racing org uses the III's for their spec tire...
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I'd stick with what Pirelli recommends for their tires. If it's considered a "track" or "race" tire, in my opinion, it's not a "street" tire at all.

I agree that on the street, the super corsa pro will act like a track tire, and will not have the characteristics of a street tire. Personally, I don't use track rubber on the street, but that's a whole 'nuther debate that some people strongly agree with, and others strongly disagree with.
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I wonder if they (racers) use warmers on the Pirelli Corsa III spec tires??? I don't remember what racing org uses the III's for their spec tire...
If they're racing it, I can almost guarantee that they use warmers. Like I mentioned, the manufacturer considers them a race tire, not a street tire.

I think it's MOTOST that uses them. I'll also bet that they're not the same kind of tire you can buy either...
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Well I think my question was answered a couple times over! But thanks for your insight guys, I'm going to hold off for a bit. Atleast until I up the pace enough for race rubber.
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Well I think my question was answered a couple times over! But thanks for your insight guys, I'm going to hold off for a bit. Atleast until I up the pace enough for race rubber.
Oh no, we've got to beat the subject to , take it off on a tangent, then the subject will be dead.... or locked!

J/K, glad to be of some help.
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Oh no, we've got to beat the subject to , take it off on a tangent, then the subject will be dead.... or locked!

J/K, glad to be of some help.
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