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Old 03-01-2008, 11:08 AM   #1
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'99 R6 Problem? Can you help?

When I put the bike into first gear (or any other), and let the clutch go, the bike just sits there. If I put the bike on stands, the tire starts spinning but when I put my foot to it, it will stop.

Last track day, thought the clutch is slipping, pulled in and it started doing this there. Thought the clutch needs replacement, so replaced it. After replacement, still doing same. Seems to mee the chain had gotten looser (due to the issue I am having??).

Can you help with ideas where to look? Thanks.
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Old 03-01-2008, 11:44 AM   #3
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i'm not good enough to diagnose over the net, Patrick will probably chime in.

Chains stretch and get loose.

A broken/stretched clutch cable would let it stay engaged.

No funny noises?

Does it shift? Are the symptoms the same in every gear? Did you mess with the left/actuator side, where the clutch push rod gets pushed from?

For a clutch to go from working to completely not engaging isn't a symptom of being worm out. You would find it first to slip under heavy acceleration and in high gears. Did that happen to the first one and you let it go until it was completely shot?
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U have a truck or trailer?

If you are on the south side you are welcome to stop by. I'm in League City. I'm not a real mechanic but I play one in my garage. On of my ex GFs was a drag racer, I replaced and adjusted her clutch plenty of times. To her credit she eventually made it a point to learn to do her own.
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Old 03-01-2008, 02:20 PM   #5
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i'm not good enough to diagnose over the net, Patrick will probably chime in.

Chains stretch and get loose.

A broken/stretched clutch cable would let it stay engaged.

No funny noises?

Does it shift? Are the symptoms the same in every gear? Did you mess with the left/actuator side, where the clutch push rod gets pushed from?

For a clutch to go from working to completely not engaging isn't a symptom of being worm out. You would find it first to slip under heavy acceleration and in high gears. Did that happen to the first one and you let it go until it was completely shot?


I can shift. I know since I start in neutral, then shift to first, the light goes off. Tire starts spinning but I can stop it with my foot. The cable is not stretched (I do not think). The push lever (the thing that turns and is placed around the rod), moves forward. At the end of the movement, the dot on the lever is in line with the dot on the clutch cover.
My observation was that the chain is looser. I actually live in Austin, so cant stop by, but I am hoping someone can help in diagnosis.
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symptoms would be different than you're describing but i know the shift detent springs were not too good on those bikes. i have a brand new spring in one of my drawers collecting dust. if you get a diagnosis and need the spring give me a shout and i'll give it to you.
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Me thinks you installed the clutch wrong.
Or the cable is too tight.
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Or the cable is too tight.
that would make sense if you adjusted the cable recently.

if that were the case, it's acting as if the lever is always squeezed.

even a properly installed clutch will often spin the wheel once you take the resistance off of it.
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+1 try letting out your clutch cable some and see if that helps..
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Old 03-01-2008, 08:30 PM   #10
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...will do. Planning to get this corrected whatever it takes asap. Track day coming up and I will have to steal a bike if this one is not working (I don't want to be forced into this situation...lol).


Just as fyi, the adjustment barrel on the clutch is screwed in all the way into the clutch lever (loosest possible). I will have to see how far I can readjust it down at the clutch.

Also, can you tell me if my reasoning is correct by thinking the transmission is ok since I can shift gears? There is no clunking sound at all, and I would expect it if there was some broken stuff in there, correct?
I just went to the bike again and started it and was able to shift through the gears (although the wheel spun less and less as I increased the gears like it was in neutral).

I hope to it is the screwed up install of the clutch. Will take the plates out again and will redo. Is it possible i have to insert fewer plates than they give in the kit? I installed all of them (same amount as the number of plates that were in there as I took it apart).
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1st - is there play (looseness) in the clutch lever - it should move freely some - normally about 1/2 ". If it feels tight - that is not good.

2nd - Go to a parts website such as www.mrcycles.com and you can look at exactly what and how many of each part is required.

3rd - It's not just how many pieces you put in, but they must be the right pieces in the right order - you really need a service manual.

4th - Here's a link on a clutch that will be very similar if not identical to yours:
http://themxtrack.com/Fizzy/FizzyClutch.html
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did you let your new clutch plates soak in oil before you installed them????they will glaze over and take a if you put em in dry
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1st - is there play (looseness) in the clutch lever - it should move freely some - normally about 1/2 ". If it feels tight - that is not good.

The clutch lever seems not loose...seems tight.

2nd - Go to a parts website such as www.mrcycles.com and you can look at exactly what and how many of each part is required.

3rd - It's not just how many pieces you put in, but they must be the right pieces in the right order - you really need a service manual.

Did it with service manual...will redo again tonite...put in as many plates as the manual asked for (same as was in there too).


4th - Here's a link on a clutch that will be very similar if not identical to yours:
http://themxtrack.com/Fizzy/FizzyClutch.html
Thanks for the link...will read over again.
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did that.
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my 01 had a recal on the sprocket, call the dealer it may be on yours as well, does the speedometer go up whe nyou hit the gas?
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my 01 had a recal on the sprocket, call the dealer it may be on yours as well, does the speedometer go up whe nyou hit the gas?

are you referring to the counter shaft sprocket? The sprocket itself?
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...OK, took the sucker apart again. Here is what I did.

Took the plates out.
This time, removed the boss nut and the bearing and cylinder.
Slid the clutch basket towards me but did not remove it.
There is a small black chain going behind the clutch basket, and on down to another gear. The chain is kind of loose (not sprung tight at all...hope this is ok).

Then, I put the basket back.
Used my hand to change the gears from 1 to 6 and back to 1 (while moving tire with other hand).
Put the washer, clutch boss and the nut back.
Put the plates back in - lubed them again.
When putting the clutch cover on, I noticed the little marking on it was not alligned with the marking on the clutch boss. So I aligned them.
Put the springs back in and tightened.
Put the clutch cover back on and tightened all bolts.
Loosened the clutch cable at the clutch all the way.
Made the cable tighter at the lever.

Started the bike, and shifted into gear 1, then let go of the clutch lever.
The friggin wheel is spinning and I cannot stop it. Just like it should be.

So I now cant wait to take it out tomorrow am to see on the road if it still works good.
Anyone have ideas what fixed it? The alignment of the markings? The shifting 1 to 6 then back before putting back?
The lubing with oil of all plates again? Initially, I did put the clutch together (after I soaked the plates), but did not start the bike until the next day. Could that be it?

I will update tomorrow.
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...OK, took the sucker apart again. Here is what I did.

Took the plates out.
This time, removed the boss nut and the bearing and cylinder.
Slid the clutch basket towards me but did not remove it.
There is a small black chain going behind the clutch basket, and on down to another gear. The chain is kind of loose (not sprung tight at all...hope this is ok).

Then, I put the basket back.
Used my hand to change the gears from 1 to 6 and back to 1 (while moving tire with other hand).
Put the washer, clutch boss and the nut back.
Put the plates back in - lubed them again.
When putting the clutch cover on, I noticed the little marking on it was not alligned with the marking on the clutch boss. So I aligned them.
Put the springs back in and tightened.
Put the clutch cover back on and tightened all bolts.
Loosened the clutch cable at the clutch all the way.
Made the cable tighter at the lever.

Started the bike, and shifted into gear 1, then let go of the clutch lever.
The friggin wheel is spinning and I cannot stop it. Just like it should be.

So I now cant wait to take it out tomorrow am to see on the road if it still works good.
Anyone have ideas what fixed it? You put it together right this time! The alignment of the markings? The shifting 1 to 6 then back before putting back?
The lubing with oil of all plates again? Initially, I did put the clutch together (after I soaked the plates), but did not start the bike until the next day. Could that be it? No Chance

I will update tomorrow.
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