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Old 02-29-2008, 04:27 PM   #21
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A nice turbodiesel will outlast and blow away any hybrid out there in terms of performance and fuel economy. Most consumers aren't interested in diesel technology though. The VW TDI's get 45+ mpg.
+1, and the cost is not offset by the gas savings which is what is currently wrong with Hybrids.
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i'd buy a hybrid-diesel minivan.

doesn't a diesel F250 cost about $6-7k more then a gas F250? why is that any better. and we can talk about how long they last, but most peeps don't keep cars past 100k. so that doesn't really matter.
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BioDiesel is the way to go if you want to make a difference with the environment. Most hybrids make little more mpg then the regualr gas cars.
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cummins ftw, like the duramax too, but not the piddly ifs front ends.
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cummins ftw, like the duramax too, but not the piddly ifs front ends.
I want to do a fummins conversion on a f350 with a kind ranch interior
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DAM that it low I would think I thought they get like 20-25 miles per gallon. My truck is a 07 F150 and I get between 11-12 depending on my driving.But it is lifted and has 35's. I would imagine yours is also to get that low of milage



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just straight piped 5" exhaust and afeII intake. 410 gear ratio w/ 35's doesnt help. but i have some stuff for big blue in the werx
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DAM that it low I would think I thought they get like 20-25 miles per gallon. My truck is a 07 F150 and I get between 11-12 depending on my driving.But it is lifted and has 35's. I would imagine yours is also to get that low of milage



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Most of them can hit the 20mpg mark if you put a programmer on them. Depends on the age of his and which model. The 4wd strokes with an auto avg 13-15, the dodges and duramaxes around 18 stock, program and exhaust a little over 20.

My old stroke ('96) got 17 with the only change being a straight pipe. The old cummins can be made to get as high as 23. some research guys got one to get 25 or 26 but that was by cutting drag down, they taped seams, and took off mirrors, etc. to get the best mileage available. Remember those big trucks are HEAVY. They are built for power, not mileage.
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just straight piped 5" exhaust and afeII intake. 410 gear ratio w/ 35's doesnt help. but i have some stuff for big blue in the werx
Dude, the new quadzilla Adrenaline that thing is getting awesome reviews everywhere. All the safety features, power, and economy.
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I want to do a fummins conversion on a f350 with a kind ranch interior
i dont like the turning radius of fords, if was building a truck, i would do a 5.9 cummins w/ the new 6spd aisin tranny, chevy chassis/body w/ sas
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ill get 22-24mpg on the freeway doing 65mph, but this is very rare... normally im flooring it everywhere in crappy houston traffic.

i am going with the smarty programmer. best standalone programmer for cummins bar none.
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hybrids are the future ... in 10 years they will be the majority of four wheeled private transportation. Are they worth getting right now? No, I don't think so ... the premiums plus the additional costs for maintenance doesn't out weigh the savings in gas.... but when a gallon of gas starts hitting 5-8 bucks ... then they become more ecconomical.

Like all else ... the market will drive the industry.
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hybrids are the future ... in 10 years they will be the majority of four wheeled private transportation. Are they worth getting right now? No, I don't think so ... the premiums plus the additional costs for maintenance doesn't out weigh the savings in gas.... but when a gallon of gas starts hitting 5-8 bucks ... then they become more ecconomical.

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Most of them can hit the 20mpg mark if you put a programmer on them. Depends on the age of his and which model. The 4wd strokes with an auto avg 13-15, the dodges and duramaxes around 18 stock, program and exhaust a little over 20.

My old stroke ('96) got 17 with the only change being a straight pipe. The old cummins can be made to get as high as 23. some research guys got one to get 25 or 26 but that was by cutting drag down, they taped seams, and took off mirrors, etc. to get the best mileage available. Remember those big trucks are HEAVY. They are built for power, not mileage.
theres quite a few CR's getting 22-24mpg hand calc'd. goto dieseltruckresource.com they got quite a few.
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BioDiesel is the way to go if you want to make a difference with the environment. Most hybrids make little more mpg then the regualr gas cars.
Not quite, the production of biodiesel would fundametally require to clear off vast amounts of land to produce just enough fuel to keep going a country as such as the U.S. such diminish in the amount of plant life would directly decrease the rate at which CO2 is removed from the atmosphere by trees, thus having a counter producing effect in the long run. Not to mention that producing biofuels would inevitably cut water resources available to everyone else.
The best approach to improve our environmental index--from my point of view--would adobting and incorporating the new generations electric engines.
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ill get 22-24mpg on the freeway doing 65mph, but this is very rare... normally im flooring it everywhere in crappy houston traffic.

i am going with the smarty programmer. best standalone programmer for cummins bar none.
Go check out cumminsforum.com, they are saying this new adrenaline does away with the need of a smarty and improves. It does the shut off cool down, cuts back your boost and fuel according to EGT and everything. Awesome deal. Guys on there are reporting the shifting is improved going from the smarty to the adrenaline. A week ago I would have agreed with you completely, but it is looking like this quad adrenaline is the chit.
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doesn't a diesel F250 cost about $6-7k more then a gas F250? why is that any better. and we can talk about how long they last, but most peeps don't keep cars past 100k. so that doesn't really matter.
It is better because of the power. You would be arguing with a farm boy here, but city guys i agree. We keep our trucks for 250-300, and we pull BIG stuff with them during that. So it is justified there. OR if you are going to lift a truck with big tires, a diesel makes sense cuz you have the power to turn them, and still get decent mileage. All depends on the application.
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