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Old 02-29-2008, 03:43 PM   #1
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hybrids anyone? discuss...

to discuss or DISGUST?

who has ever thought about buying a hybrid vehicle? and who owns one? why did you buy it....to save $$$ on gas? or to save the ozone?

fact...hybrids are about $10,000 more than an equivalent gasoline vehicle. let's use the Toyota Camry for an example.

if you buy a hybrid, it is about $10,000 on top of the regular Camry's. Please tell me when you will save $10,000 worth of gasoline driving a hybrid. I'm sure your car will give out WAY before you save $10,000.

How many of you know how much the charging system cost on a hybrid if it decides to take a dump? Why don't you call the dealer and find out....it's not exactly a duralast battery with an alternator.....it's more like a $5,000+ charging system.

so if you're driving a hybrid vehicle to save money on gas.....guess what, you're ripping yourself off with that idea. if you bought it to save the trees or whatever your perogative is.....good for you.

hybrids are a joke....until these automobile companies come out with something a little more reasonable, don't buy into the bullshit.

let's hear it from all the treehuggers and the like....whats ur thoughts on this
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I looked at a lexus rx400h as a daily driver when they first hit the market. The rx400h was not worth the difference over the an equally loaded rx330 going by the savings on gas mileage alone after I calculated everything out. My calculation concluded that the 400h would show a savings only if both were driven for 50k miles.Non warranty servicing is also a lot more expensive This also took all the rebates, tax breaks, insurance and service/warranty work into account.
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A nice turbodiesel will outlast and blow away any hybrid out there in terms of performance and fuel economy. Most consumers aren't interested in diesel technology though. The VW TDI's get 45+ mpg.
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to discuss or DISGUST?

who has ever thought about buying a hybrid vehicle? and who owns one? why did you buy it....to save $$$ on gas? or to save the ozone?

fact...hybrids are about $10,000 more than an equivalent gasoline vehicle. let's use the Toyota Camry for an example.

if you buy a hybrid, it is about $10,000 on top of the regular Camry's. Please tell me when you will save $10,000 worth of gasoline driving a hybrid. I'm sure your car will give out WAY before you save $10,000.

How many of you know how much the charging system cost on a hybrid if it decides to take a dump? Why don't you call the dealer and find out....it's not exactly a duralast battery with an alternator.....it's more like a $5,000+ charging system.

so if you're driving a hybrid vehicle to save money on gas.....guess what, you're ripping yourself off with that idea. if you bought it to save the trees or whatever your perogative is.....good for you.

hybrids are a joke....until these automobile companies come out with something a little more reasonable, don't buy into the bullshit.

let's hear it from all the treehuggers and the like....whats ur thoughts on this
if you buy a hybrid, it is about $10,000 on top of the regular Camry's. Please tell me when you will save $10,000 worth of gasoline driving a hybrid. I'm sure your car will give out WAY before you save $10,000.

my mother owns a brand new camry hybird, and I must say the build quality is VERY nice. as far as saving money... the new camrys will get about 300 miles on a tank.. my moms car gets.. oh.. 600 roughly.. to a tank before shes out.. thats DOUBLE the MPG...so say you fill up once a week (avg about 300 miles) thats with todays gas prices 45 bucks -,+ of course. so you only have to fill up twice a month lets say. thats 90 bucks a month or little over a grand a year now you times that by 10 years.. avg life of a car. and boom you got your 10k back.

now as far as the battery system goes, they cover it under their "extended warranty" which is like an extra 5-10 bucks a month added on to your note (worth it) and your covered bumper to bumper if anything happens to the car its covered, so their goes your cost recover right their, they have recently updated the system in the car and fixed all the bugs and tweaks from the first model so this thing is really built to last now.

but a good thing to note when looking for a hybird is that its Eletric power with Gas assist. not the other way around, because then its only using eletric power when your curising , vs using eletric power along with gas to get you going, then once you get their, runs off the batt.
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what is the average tank of a hybrid get? like 500 miles? compared to the average 300-$350 miles?

these numbers don't look so hot for $10k extra bones

http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/mileage/

i truly don't think you'll ever see the savings....and if you do
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so what happens when the extended warranty runs out, they're usually only 5 years? you have 5 more years to worry about or get another extended warranty?

why aren't more cars using diesels? is it because of the urea?
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why aren't more cars using diesels? is it because of the urea?
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600 miles a week
x 52 weeks in a year
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31,200 miles

multiply that by 10 years = 312,000 miles

damnnnn...that number sounds a lot like a diesel's vehicle life span. and that is to ONLY get the money you paid extra back, no savings yet.

i hope they are building these hybrids to last double the life of normal cars. :dontknow:
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oh, i see. thought they might have updated them by now to meet those regs :dontknow:
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Hybrids were not made for houston living due to the fact that hybrids give better mileage during city/stop and go driving over highway driving. This make them far better for cities that not as spread apart as Houston is.
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Uhm.. top of my head opinion.

If they want us to start 'driving green' then the darn vehicles need to cost the same or cheaper than the comparable normal gas version... be it the sticker cost, or considerably better tax breaks etc.

...course I think motorcyclists should be able to get some kind of breaks too.
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i still see diesel's being better than hybrids.

plus you can convert diesels to run on corn oil for about $2,000 now how about that for saving money on fuel
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The European diesels comming out are a work of art. I would buy a tdi or bluetec over a hybrid.
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The European diesels comming out are a work of art. I would buy a tdi or bluetec over a hybrid.
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MPG Competition @ tdiforum. Look at the first post. Top one is 70 mpg.
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Audi even has a diesel supercar out now. Audi R8 v12 TDI.
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at lease consumers have another choice a long side gasoline-diesel-propane.
for city or metro driving or stop and go traffilc,it's great bc most of it powered
by high voltage batteries and generator/motor with minimum gas engine running.a down side is not good for frequent high way-high speed-long distance traveling bc veh has an additional weight of couple hundreds lbs of the high voltage (288v itselt alone) batteries (hopefully technologies will reduce the side and weight of it in future sooner),even on high way/high speed the gas engine only need to run at 3200rpm max (gas save ) and the rest of needed power-torque will comes in from high voltage btteries....
plus consumers have 100k miles warrantee on hybrid system......
RX400h is great veh compare to Prius and Camry and other Hybrid models !!!!
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diesel ftmfw, although my turbo diesel only get like 15mpg and costs 125bucks to fill up... need to get a better daily driver
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diesel ftmfw, although my turbo diesel only get like 15mpg and costs 125bucks to fill up... need to get a better daily driver
powerjoke, cummins, or duramax? lol
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A nice turbodiesel will outlast and blow away any hybrid out there in terms of performance and fuel economy. Most consumers aren't interested in diesel technology though. The VW TDI's get 45+ mpg.
The ulitimate Hybrid approches

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DIESEL-ELECTRIC 70mpg!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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