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Old 02-22-2008, 05:38 PM   #21
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vtwin baby. low end power, meaning more torque, easier in turns and torque meaning better takeoff, you know all aprillas and ducatis are vtwin, well l twins technically
No, Aprilias are not L-twins. 60 degrees is hardly an L
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Old 02-22-2008, 05:50 PM   #22
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No, Aprilias are not L-twins. 60 degrees is hardly an L
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Old 02-22-2008, 05:55 PM   #23
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at the ccs race they raced them against weight i think? i thought i saw some racing in there with regular inlines
you can run up a class.....you cannot run down a class.

for example, you can run your sv650 in a 1000cc inline 4 class.....but you cannot run your 1000cc inline 4 in a 650cc twin class.



back on topic....

SV's are good track bikes because....

1. parts availability
2. cheap bike to start out with
3. not enough top speed like 600cc inline 4's....so it teaches you to use the cornering speed and good riding instead of using power as a crutch to get around the track.
4. easy on tires
5. some parts are interchangeable with other bikes
6. i can't think of any other reasons why.

it's a great bike to get into riding the track. you can find a lot of modded ones with suspension/engine goodies for around $2500-$3000
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SV650s also crash very well. The frames are tough as nails. That and what the other people have mentioned.
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how modded of an sv are we talking here? there are sv's pumping out 85-90 hp with GSXR built front ends, built rear etc........... A stock cbr would have a very difficult time against such a bike. The trac/riders play some small factor in the equation as well
the average track junkie is not going to sink that kind of cash to dive into the motor just to squeeze out 10-15 extra hp. even still a new cbr is pumping out 109 hp+-... so how a 90 hp sv650 is going to beat a 600rr is still hard to figure. I think the appeal is as mentioned.... cheap and easy to handle.
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sv100 vs busa

not bad the time, the comments saidSV1000 = 11.206
BUSA = 10.1

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the average track junkie is not going to sink that kind of cash to dive into the motor just to squeeze out 10-15 extra hp. even still a new cbr is pumping out 109 hp+-... so how a 90 hp sv650 is going to beat a 600rr is still hard to figure. I think the appeal is as mentioned.... cheap and easy to handle.
On a lower speed, technical track a well-prepped SV would be an even match or better for a stock I4 600, I'd bet. Maybe not at TWS (Texas World Speedway).

** but yeah, I think you're right, dollar for dollar a skilled rider on a 600SS bike will probably turn faster lap times on than he would on an SV. Bottom line is that SV is a inexpensive, unintimidating yet capable track bike.
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On a lower speed, technical track a well-prepped SV would be an even match or better for a stock I4 600, I'd bet.
it would be close for sure... but that is kinda my point... that is the reason I got rid of my sv... why spend lots of money to bring a sv to the level a stock 600 is at off the show room floor. That same kinda money spent on a 600rr would build a badazz trackbike.
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the average track junkie is not going to sink that kind of cash to dive into the motor just to squeeze out 10-15 extra hp. even still a new cbr is pumping out 109 hp+-... [b]so how a 90 hp sv650 is going to beat a 600rr is still hard to figure.[b] I think the appeal is as mentioned.... cheap and easy to handle.
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I was thinking suspension, brake lines, pads plus some sort of exhaust and PC to bump up power a little for the sv.
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Also, twins (not parallel twins or boxters) are typically a lot narrower engines than I4s and therefore have quite a bit more ground clearance.
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I was thinking suspension, brake lines, pads plus some sort of exhaust and PC to bump up power a little for the sv.
Real suspension makes a huge difference man.
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Hmmm well not sure about the SV 650 but my cousin rides a SV1000 and on the straight out runs the only thing I have seen take him is a busa. I have personaly seen him smoke a 06' 1000RR and a 07' 1000 gixer. rthe SV1000 lacks no power in the top end from what i have seen and gets there quik.
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I really doubt that an SV 1000 can hang with a GSXR1000 in a roll-on to top speed

sounds to me like your cousin can ride and the bikes he went up against couldn't ride worth a chit. a sv 1000 only has around 115hp... hardly enough to take a competant rider on a busa, gsxr1k or any other liter s.s. bike.
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doesn't really look close on paper. 1.2 seconds is an eternity in the 1/4
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look at the drag vid i showed earlier, its only what .9 seconds fast, i mean the power that a busa brings compared to the sv, pretty good time imo. my sv has the baff tops off, but im sure if i get some new cans soon it would be able to keep up with the big inlines
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I did not mean to give the impression he hung with the busa but he did pull on the Gixer and RR but we are talking from 80mph on not a qtr mile drag. I have been doing 136 on the speedo and had him blast me this was after he was sitting on the side of the road and i passed him at 100.

I do know he has a PC and K&N but stock pipes he bought it used and does not know if the gearing is changed or not.
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the SV is easier to ride, can be bought cheap, crashes well, and with suspension and brake upgrades becomes really fun to ride. It's fun passing faster bikes at the track on a slower bike. The long straights suck though.
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they don't race the same class. A stock 600rr will kill a modded sv650 in every aspect.
Not quite. While they don't race in the same class, in endurance races, they are all out there at the same time. I have "killed" p-lenty of i-4 600s of all vintages on our modded SV. 84hp, slipper clutch, flat slides, GSXR Race Tech front end with Penske shock, and you have a middleweight killer! A lot of the 600s will pull slightly on the straights, but some don't (it's all about when you get on and off the throttle in and out of the corners).

Why the SV?

Interchangeable parts with GSXR (easy swaps, GSXR parts are easy to find).

Handles exceptionally well for a damper rod front end- it's also cheaper to work over the stock forks vs cartridge forks. Most SV racers keep their stock forks (change springs, gold valves, oil change, etc but stock size and type) and swear by them even in superbike classes where they could change the front end if they wanted.

Crashability. You can toss these bikes down the track over and over again and won't have any issues with frame or other major hard parts. They're also easy to fix, and parts are easy to find (see my first point about interchangeability).

Tires, easy on tires! We race (and won, with some 2nd and 3rds too) on one set of tires to our 600cc i-4 bike's 2 sets per race (endurance racing).

Fuel economy too, don't forget that. We would use about 3 gallons per hour, and about 3.5 gallons/ hr at TWS (Texas World Speedway) for endurance racing. With our engine, we use cut race fuel, and that equates to money saving when you don't have an engine that guzzles the stuff!

Brake mods and suspension mods on this bike are cheap and easy. Throw a GSXR master cylinder and a Race Tech front end with GSXR shock for a grand total of about $400, and you're ready to race. The '05 and up SV has a better braking system than the previous years too (stock).

Most folks will do juuuuust fine on a completely stock SV at the track as well, but most will also soon "out grow" that suspension with increased seat time at the track too.
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