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Old 02-19-2008, 02:14 PM   #41
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So what you are saying is that because Vale likes to slam back some wine, a cig and puff a joint after the races is what makes him one of the fastest?
Not following in your idea but a puff or a wine won't make the difference i'm talking about
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Old 02-19-2008, 02:20 PM   #42
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Not following in your idea but a puff or a wine won't make the difference i'm talking about
I am guessing you are new to the seen? Valentino does nothing to get ready for racing and is known to like wine and things to smoke. So, following your previous words this would be what seperates him from the rest by what he does after the races?
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I am guessing you are new to the seen? Valentino does nothing to get ready for racing and is known to like wine and things to smoke. So, following your previous words this would be what seperates him from the rest by what he does after the races?

Vale is a clubber, regularly spotted in Ibiza (Dance Capital of Europe).
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I am guessing you are new to the seen? Valentino does nothing to get ready for racing and is known to like wine and things to smoke. So, following your previous words this would be what seperates him from the rest by what he does after the races?
Case then is 2007 champion... eventhou I'm Rossi fan.
And by the way those were some things, not the only ones... again, must be well rounded... , will, money...
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honestly, your post did not help me.
well, IF his words were spelled correctly, you may have caught the point he was trying to make...
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the title says it.. im a bit curious as to what makes a rider fast at the track. to be specific, what qualities do the pro motoGP guys have that the regulars, as in fast experts at our local tracks dont?.. if both riders can lean the bike to its limit, what is the winning factor? race lines, instinct and stuff like that?
This might sound like a stupid question, but im still just curious. thanks
Starting Small... Most pro riders started on 125/250cc GP bikes where they learned the basics and how to get the most out of a motorcycle. Corner speeds are what make riders fast. Any squid can go WOT on a straight. but it takes a lot of knowledge, etc. to carry that speed through a corner.
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Old 02-19-2008, 05:54 PM   #49
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IMO, one of the biggest things that makes them better is their ability to process information at speed. They are able to process things at 150 mph like I can at 50. Perception of speed is huge.
Personally, I think this is the biggest deal. You not only have to have "ballz", but also the INSTINCT of control and be able to "feel" what the bike is doing. The pros can react to situations that would make 99% of other riders end up on their head. Things are moving at slower motion (ie, the perception of speed that was mentioned). It's like, what would make most racers check-up and almost crash is nothing to these guys.... just part of going faster, and FASTER.

Yeah, the majority of these guys got started racing at a very young age, but if you've got it, you've got it. Edwards didn't start riding Oak Hill on a sportbike until he was in his teens. Bayliss was still club racing in Australia in his 20's. Scott Russell didn't start club racing until his mid 20's or something.
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there it is...u couldnt have put it in a better way man
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Personally, I think this is the biggest deal. You not only have to have "ballz", but also the INSTINCT of control and be able to "feel" what the bike is doing. The pros can react to situations that would make 99% of other riders end up on their head. Things are moving at slower motion (ie, the perception of speed that was mentioned). It's like, what would make most racers check-up and almost crash is nothing to these guys.... just part of going faster, and FASTER.

Yeah, the majority of these guys got started racing at a very young age, but if you've got it, you've got it. Edwards didn't start riding Oak Hill on a sportbike until he was in his teens. Bayliss was still club racing in Australia in his 20's. Scott Russell didn't start club racing until his mid 20's or something.
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im gonna have to agree with dhdrider,, processing info at high speeds/good hand eye coordination = talent on the tracks.
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Grinchys theory: is that a riders brain is like a computer processor, and that dictates how much input you can handle. The fast guys have a big ol Pentium 4, twin core, 10 gig blah de blah and then others of us have the equivalent of the old Atari tennis console which is why we can do things slow but struggle as the speed and input picks up !!
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I have been watching this thread and I think it is a very good question posed. I have this to add:

It seems to me that the big difference is between local riders and pro riders. When the MotoGP guys hit the field, they are on a level field. I am basing this on the times posted between first and past and them all being with a minute or so.
The big change would be if Speis or Haden showed up at TWS (Texas World Speedway) for a track day and see you them run against our local guys. This is where experiance, training, and all the other things that were listed come into play if all where on comperable street bikes made ready for the track.

I think that it is parts of their branes that have higher activity (snapsis activitiy) that raises their awareness and perception, reaction times due to adrenalin, and their drive to be infont. The most focused and committed usually win the races when there aren't problems or issues on with the bike on race day.

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Actually I think a Privateer said it best this past year at Laguna, I forget who it was. They were interviewing him about something and he said that he has to be more careful than the factory backed riders and take less risks. Every time he crashes it costs him several thousand dollars in gear and repairs, whereas the factory boys can jump right on new bikes and gear within seconds of a crash.

Course he couldn't be that broke to be running the AMA Superbike circuit IMO....
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Old 02-20-2008, 11:36 AM   #56
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Admittedly I'm no expert - but I think money is one of the factors that is most important.

The guys who can win consistently are going to get rides in MotoGP and WSBK, but the guys who fill the rest of the running order are largely determined by how much money they bring to the table.

I remember reading an interview with James Ellison awhile back where he talked about how he had won in BSB and could have moved up to WSBK, but just to get a ride in the series you had to bring $100K+ to the table - either in sponsorship dollars or cold hard cash.

I think there are quite a few riders out there who are capable of running the times that you see coming from the middle of the MotoGP grid. The reason that you see the riders you do is that they have something else to bring with them - other than lap times.
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I'd have to say in this order
1. talents/skills
2. money to upgrade motors/suspension
3. big to push the machine at its edge and beyond
4. money and/or fame as a driving force.

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I have been watching this thread and I think it is a very good question posed. I have this to add:

It seems to me that the big difference is between local riders and pro riders. When the MotoGP guys hit the field, they are on a level field. I am basing this on the times posted between first and past and them all being with a minute or so.
The big change would be if Speis or Haden showed up at TWS (Texas World Speedway) for a track day and see you them run against our local guys. This is where experiance, training, and all the other things that were listed come into play if all where on comperable street bikes made ready for the track.

I think that it is parts of their branes that have higher activity (snapsis activitiy) that raises their awareness and perception, reaction times due to adrenalin, and their drive to be infont. The most focused and committed usually win the races when there aren't problems or issues on with the bike on race day.

just my $0.02
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Admittedly I'm no expert - but I think money is one of the factors that is most important.

The guys who can win consistently are going to get rides in MotoGP and WSBK, but the guys who fill the rest of the running order are largely determined by how much money they bring to the table.

I remember reading an interview with James Ellison awhile back where he talked about how he had won in BSB and could have moved up to WSBK, but just to get a ride in the series you had to bring $100K+ to the table - either in sponsorship dollars or cold hard cash.

I think there are quite a few riders out there who are capable of running the times that you see coming from the middle of the MotoGP grid. The reason that you see the riders you do is that they have something else to bring with them - other than lap times.
Ellison won the BSB privateers championship, no mean feat.
$100K for a WSB berth seems cheap at face value !!!
Leon Camier paid 60,000 ($120,000) for the Padgetts Honda British SuperSport 600 ride back in 2005( see http://www.holly-jones.co.uk/images/...-jones-041.jpg ). His parents re-financed their house for him I'm told. He's one of the lucky ones, he took his opportunity and this year lines up as a salaried rider on the Airwaves Ducati Superbike.
A friend of mine was asked to test the British factory 600 Kawasaki at the end of 2005. He wasn't offerred the ride but even at that stage, 50,000 was being talked about.
The reason we see so many Spanish and Italian riders in the world championships is besides an abundance of youth race acadamies, they have far more financial support from the public by way of sponsorship.
Rossi and Biaggi's battles would make the first 3 pages of national Italian papers and not just a small box somewhere in the sports section at the back.
They're mad for it !!
As stated, the creme de la creme will get factory rides and salaries but exc MotoGP mainly, sadly the rest of the field is as much about what you bring to the table as it is your speed !!
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