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Old 02-19-2008, 10:34 AM   #21
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, talents, , money....

in that order
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:35 AM   #22
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that's true too, H.o.p.
If you ain't got the . all the talent in the world won't get you anywhere.
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that's true too, H.o.p.
If you ain't got the . all the talent in the world won't get you anywhere.
yep, although its like pancakes and syrup......

you can't have one without the other. just some people have bigger pancakes and require more syrup with their serving.
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yep, although its like pancakes and syrup......

you can't have one without the other. just some people have bigger pancakes and require more syrup with their serving.


I see it like this:
Natural Talent is what gets you noticed and not all men are born equal (unfortunately!).
Age, money and connections take you up the ladder.
After that it's a combination of right team, management, mental strength, application and focus that seperates the very good from the extraordinary.
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Old 02-19-2008, 10:50 AM   #25
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i think the majority is given talent. you can have $, and be faster, but talent will always shine above.

max biaggi only started racing when he was like 18, most start when they can walk.
Troy Bayliss was a very late starter too
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I think its as simple as knowing what the bike is doing under you. And understanding how to fix what you don't like, or at least convey what you don't like to someone who CAN fix it.
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I think its as simple as knowing what the bike is doing under you. And understanding how to fix what you don't like, or at least convey what you don't like to someone who CAN fix it.
I think that helps but all the understanding and fixing in the world is not gonna help you beat a natural born racer.
But get a natural to understandstand and fix and then you have a package IMO
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Umm, that IS a natural born racer. IMHO
I guess shoulda stated that though.
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I think as important as ballz, talent and money is what drives you... same talented boys (cause there is not only 1 natural born racer), with same bike and same money, who do you think will shine? the one who wants it more.
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, talent, iron will, sacrifice ...........
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I think its as simple as knowing what the bike is doing under you. And understanding how to fix what you don't like, or at least convey what you don't like to someone who CAN fix it.
Spoken like a true suspension GURU! (for those that don't know Keith, that is exactly what he is, as well as a GSXR specialist who prolly knows everything there is to know about every generation of that bike...)

Along the lines of defining "talent", I think it all boils down to natural ability and instinct with a combination of what Keith said, and DH said about processing information.

There was a study done a while ago for information processing with different types of professional. One was a motorcycle racer (I can't remember who), one was some type of exectutive, and an artist. The study had to do with recall after flashing different pictures at various positions (up, down, right, left, etc) respective to the person's position. Of the three, the motorcycle racer was able to see and recall more than 90% of the images and information accurately, the artist was around the 75%, and the executive was (I think) lower than 50%.

Keith Code talks a lot about eye movement and processing visual information in his books, and has a lot of exercises to improve your own. It's pretty cool, and helps you with all kinds of activities- including driving a car!
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the one who wants it more.
That's son!
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I think as important as ballz, talent and money is what drives you... same talented boys (cause there is not only 1 natural born racer), with same bike and same money, who do you think will shine? the one who wants it more.
Every good natural I know thinks he is the best out there bar none.
That's part of what makes them special.
That's what drives them, that and the thrill
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So are there no fast female riders, sence they are born with out . It sounds like you need them to be able to ride fast. Maybe theY make you more aerodynamic? And what if you only have one?
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So are there no fast female riders, sence they are born with out . It sounds like you need them to be able to ride fast. Maybe theY make you more aerodynamic? And what if you only have one?
Yeah, sure there are some fast chicks, just no fast pro chicks.

Ask Jessica Zalusky. "Factory" ride, never placed in the top 10 (or maybe top 20), after 2 years of factory support. Shameful. Kawi did it to grow the sport with women I think.
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That's son!
I disagree, at those level (Motogp, sbk, AMA) all of them have the BIG COJONES to go fast and risk a crash on a X or Y turn but it takes more than that to go FAST, or faster. At that point is the "extra mile" that will make you go faster, example, what to do after track going to sleep and party or focus , concentrate and train soome more... i.e. physical conditioning (DH) and mental balance (thou not sure about this in all of us) As some1 mentioned before, sacrifice

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I disagree, at those level (Motogp, sbk, AMA) all of them have the BIG COJONES to go fast and risk a crash on a X or Y turn but it takes more than that to go FAST, or faster. At that point is the "extra mile" that will make you go faster, example, what to do after track going to sleep and party or focus , concentrate and train soome more... i.e. physical conditioning (DH) and mental balance (thou not sure about this in all of us)
True- however, it's the guys with the (I think we've already established the skill aspect) that will stuff the bike in the last corner to take a win.

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I disagree, at those level (Motogp, sbk, AMA) all of them have the BIG COJONES to go fast and risk a crash on a X or Y turn but it takes more than that to go FAST, or faster. At that point is the "extra mile" that will make you go faster, example, what to do after track going to sleep and party or focus , concentrate and train soome more... i.e. physical conditioning (DH) and mental balance (thou not sure about this in all of us) As some1 mentioned before, sacrifice
So what you are saying is that because Vale likes to slam back some wine, a cig and puff a joint after the races is what makes him one of the fastest?
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True- however, it's the guys with the (I think we've already established the skill aspect) that will stuff the bike in the last corner to take a win.

Son!
If any of them see that chance, they WILL take it... thou victoriously will be the more prepared for that split-of-a-second challenge.
So you see, not only is required.
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