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Old 02-17-2008, 10:18 PM   #1
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Need some tips.

So I went through the last day of the MSF today. Had a blast as my second day on 2 wheels ever. I got the MotoHouston hookup from David, so he put me on the Ninja in a fully packed class. Big thanks! Great class too.

Nothing too bad. Everything felt somewhat natural. Except for 2 things. I was always afraid to loose balance when making slow tight corners and u-turns. And I kept locking the brakes on short stops.

So basically I felt pretty confident but ended up dropping the bike during the final riding test (the 2 u-turn part), thus failing it. I get to retake it, but my question is - how do you keep balance in small, slow u-turns? I get the whole counter-weight part but I don't feel confident with slow speed.
I felt pretty bad too. The Ninja was rather decent, and it wouldn't start for a while after I dropped it.
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Old 02-17-2008, 10:32 PM   #2
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Not starting right after it falls is normal.

Congrats on taking the class! When I took it in '85, it was on an SRX250, and I fell in love with that bike! If I didn't already have a FT500, I would have bought the SRX fo sho!

Low speed balance is something you practice to perfect. It's not something that really can be taught per se, other than to give the instruction and encourage the practice.

Sounds to me like you might be using too much brake, that could be why you dropped it and had trouble with the turns. While you're speed is still slow, that doesn't mean "stop", carry a slow speed without using the brakes in the corner- that's the key.

What feedback did David give you?
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Congratulations on finishing the course! I dropped my bike during the class, as well. The tight turns will only come with practice- I'm still a little nervous making tight, right hand turns. Just find you a parking lot and do it.
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What feedback did David give you?
To not be nervous... And to not kill him.

IDK he said I look at him like I wanted to kill him. I guess thats why on my last job...
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Trust your tires and just lean the bike in to the turn, looking through the turn the whole way. You'll get it.
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...DONT LOOK DOWN... look where you want the bike to go....
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think of it like you do when you turn in your car. you don't slam on the brakes... do all your braking before you make the turn =). DONT LOOK DOWN... look where you want the bike to go. Maybe get on a bicycle and practice riding on that taking turns.

When do you take another test?


I don't know. If I'm in my car making a U turn, I usually have the tires smoking and the end whipping around pretty good. Probably would be looked down upon at MSF.
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When do you take another test?
I don't know they said some time next week.
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Old 02-18-2008, 07:20 AM   #10
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Slow speed turns, learn the "friction zone"...

rear brake, higher rpms, slip the clutch just enough to keep the momentum.

Keep your body upright, lean the bike just enough into the turn.
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it's natural to feel that way, esp. on THAT bike vs. the cruisers in class. it has a higher center of gravity and you sit more upright on that bike.

i tell students the 3 keys for "the box" or any tight turns are, Head Turn, Clutch Control, Weight Shift.

as for locking it up, it's all about progressivly squeezing, vs the initially grab. smooth application of the brake and squeezing progressivly harder as you slow down.
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The u-turn portion of the test is a bit harder than the other tests, especially if the handlebars on the old beat up 250s are bent. Mine were and it felt different for sure.
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i took MSF on a honda rebel. But i traded it for ninja250 just for curiosity for one exercise. And i dropped it. Right after the quick stop - i lost my balance and dropped it right in the hands of my instructor. Lucky for me it wasnt during the test. I took the test on a cruiser. It is a lot easier on the cruiser.
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how do you keep balance in small, slow u-turns? I get the whole counter-weight part but I don't feel confident with slow speed.
If it's really slow speeds. I usually use my feet to help. I'm talking 5 mph or slower thou...
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Slow speed turns is something that you have to get used to.

I found it easier to lean the bike like a dirt bike in the *slow* turns while I stay mostly upright. At slow speeds you should have plenty of room to lean the bike a bit without scraping anything. That way your body sits up and it's a little easier to maintain balance and you don't feel like you're going to fall off into the curve. Once you get used to leaning your body over and trusting the bike to hold you it'll be pretty natural to lean and turn.

Remember that the clutch, brake and throttle are not on/off switches. Don't grab them, squeeze them steadily and ease them in or out. Practice finding the friction zone with the clutch and ease into and out of it. That's the key to smooth starts, shifts and slow speed maneuvering.
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Old 02-18-2008, 01:58 PM   #17
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Damnit now I have to reschedule and try again.

Anyone have a 250 or smaller that they want to sell for like 1k so that i can practice?
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imo the double "u" is the toughest part. dont feel bad

ITS REALLY HARD!

i think its easier to do on a rebel or virago. maybe even the eliminator. if you have a chance try it on one of those bikes and see if its easier for you.

i doubt most riders here could pass the double u test on the bikes they own. i nailed the test (luckily) when i took MSF, on a nighthawk. a couple weeks later i went to the very same range and tried it on my VFR700 and NO WAY was that happening.
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Sounds like good info so far. I started to fall on my figure eight too. When you get that feeling, let the clutch out a bit more and a little more gas. The bike will stand right back up. Also, if it happens again during the test, remember putting a foot down for a second only costs a few points, whereas dropping the bike fails you.

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