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Old 02-14-2008, 06:48 PM   #41
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cars fault but rider could of avoided it, if his speed and attention was in the right place
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Old 02-14-2008, 06:53 PM   #42
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What makes you think the biker was in the right lane that was ending. From what I can tell he was on the outside of the middle right so he could swerve into the right lane to avoid someone cutting him off. Not a very sound plan since he was cut off in both lanes, but I can see why he would do that, most drivers would consider it a shoulder, and since the car was stopping anyway I'm guessing thats what it was. I'm pretty sure the car didn't see the bike, because if there was another car instead of the bike there he still would've gotten rammed.
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In a rear-end type collision, isn't it usually the unit in the rear that is at fault? The logic being that the operator should be paying attention to their changing surroundings and taking the proper precautions/actions to avoid running into another motorist especially one that is ahead and in plain view?
Most of the time, but it's not always the case. I rearended someone in my car, and the accident was ruled the other guys fault. . . and rightfully so.
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i'm gonna go out and swerve all over the road tonight and those idiots that i hit for not avoiding me...
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Old 02-14-2008, 07:29 PM   #46
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if i swing a baseball bat at your head and you don't duck. is it your fault for not ducking?
if you didn't take MSF with RacerX, then yes.
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, sure does look to me like the car was at fault. Looks like the bike even came from the far right lane into the next lane in an attempt to avoid the car.

That was sure some A+ dumbass driving on the cager's part. I can't believe all of us who blame the rider, .
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, sure does look to me like the car was at fault. Looks like the bike even came from the far right lane into the next lane in an attempt to avoid the car.

That was sure some A+ dumbass driving on the cager's part. I can't believe all of us who blame the rider, .
I have no problem blaming a rider, but not this one. While I think anyone paying even a small amount of attention could have avoided the accident, that's just a contributing factor in this case.
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Old 02-14-2008, 08:36 PM   #49
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geez...there sure is a lot of assuming going on here... and you know what happens when you do that.

u can't tell if the bike is speeding...you can't tell if the bike was passing or just riding in that lane, you can't tell if the rider was scanning or not...all you can see is the small part of the highway where the car turned. so all the people saying the rider "should have payed attention, should have scanned, shouldn't have been passing" you're basing those assumptions on what you THINK he was doing not what you SAW him do.
If you think a small swerve to the left would have saved him.... next time imagine travelling on 610, at the speed limit, and having someone go from a dead stop to cutting two lanes right in front of you, with other traffic around you....let's see how fast you react to that.

If i were the accident investigator...based soley of traffic law and the facts that i see...the Car is at fault. You can't show the bike was speeding or doing anything else unsafe. You must signal your lane changes for 100ft and can only change lanes 1 at a time. Therefore, changing two lanes at once without signalling for 100ft, and going at most 10mph on a highway (also illegal) constitutes an unsafe lane change by Tx state law. But that's just me.
+ a million i started to see a lot of ppl blaming riders for any accident

assuming IT WAS AVOIDABLE
i see racer x is infecting a lot of ppl here, and the assuming is at its best

you might have experience but some accidents are unavoidable i dont think is racer x gets or not

and if someone changes lanes like this that slow in a highway i bet my check not even the 10% of the riders here will avoid that one clean

check speed, i mean the speed limit on a highway /freeway is at least 65

we go at least 70, try to react going at those speeds when someone do that stupid of almost stopping and invading your lane

sorry sometimes is no time to react. and when i was tought that in msf

i was in an enclosed parking lot i wasnt hauling in the freeway
so i dont think msf is a life saver for just about every ocassion

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Old 02-14-2008, 09:10 PM   #50
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the car made an illegal lane change, whether the bike could have avoided or not isn't the question. In the US you can't change 2 lanes at once, can't say what the law is in poland though. Cars FAULT!
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Old 02-14-2008, 09:39 PM   #51
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deff the car, the bike could have slowed i think if he was looking far enogh ahead, or changed lanes but yes the car is at fault!


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Now that I've gotten to see it...

It does appear the the bike may have had some serious speed going.
(it looks to me as if he was for a moment moving faster than the black vehicle
ahead and left).. it also looks as if he should have had a fairly clear view of the car changing lanes... i also think, for some reason he may have really been hauling and when he comes in view of the camera he was already attempting to decelerate.
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Car screwed up, but the biker could have and should have released the front brake and steered around it. There was plenty of room. Sort of a cross between ham fisted response and target fixation.

Not unusual though. A buddy of mine bought my DRZ400E that was converted to street legal with Avon Distanzia tires. After he got it, he was heading home on the interstate and a car stopped in front of him. He ended up grabbing too much brake, stoppied, and got hurt fairly bad. He was/is a good rider on the track and on the street. Can happen to anyone.

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i see racer x is infecting a lot of ppl here....
yep.. the fact that there is even a debate of whose as fault is proof right there. here is a video that shows 100 percent proof that a cager is making an illegal move and yet people are placing blame or percentage of blame on the biker on his lack of avoiding someone moving into his lane. does every biker scan every lane in front of him/her 100% of the time? of course not, you're checking gauges, looking in your mirrors, etc... this whole “the biker should be able to see every pebble, read every driver’s mind, prevent every failure” is getting silly…
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yep.. the fact that there is even a debate of whose as fault is proof right there. here is a video that shows 100 percent proof that a cager is making an illegal move and yet people are placing blame or percentage of blame on the biker on his lack of avoiding someone moving into his lane. does every biker scan every lane in front of him/her 100% of the time? of course not, you're checking gauges, looking in your mirrors, etc... this whole “the biker should be able to see every pebble, read every driver’s mind, prevent every failure” is getting silly…
The reality is NOT about who is at fault...the reality is how to survive on the road.

No, if you want to ride w/o getting injured or killed that is what it takes...and even then it doesn't always work, but it sure as can make a difference.
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Mr. biker man looked like he was speeding there both at fault!
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i didn't/will not vote so i can't see the results, will somebody tell me what the score is?
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i didn't/will not vote so i can't see the results, will somebody tell me what the score is?


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does every biker scan every lane in front of him/her 100% of the time? of course not, you're checking gauges, looking in your mirrors, etc.…
All that is included in scanning. It doesn't take a milisecond to check the gauges and mirrors, and in the case of the video, unless the guy on the bike was speeding his off, he had more than enough time to avoid the car.

Yes, the car did a pretty dumb turn. But no one knows the circumstances.. mechanical failure, ran out of gas, driver had a heart attack, or just pulling over to pick up a ho (keepin' it real like Azylum)

No matter what caused the car to cut across, any street rider worth a should have seen and had time to avoid. If your head ain't on a swivel, and you don't have eyes in the back of your head, you don't need to be playing in traffic.
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