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Old 02-14-2008, 02:21 PM   #21
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If you drag the vid it looks like the bike is moving the same speed as cars in the left lane. The white car pulled a bone head turn, but the bike had plenty of time and distance to get around him. Watching it in slo mo the bike didn't touch the brakes until the last second and then did an endo into the car.

Car's fault for initiating the contact, bikes fault not taking a simple countersteer avoidance.

Biker appeared to be a "hood driver"... my term for those that don't look any farther down the road than the front of their cars hood.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:28 PM   #22
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:32 PM   #23
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If we're going by Texas law I would say that the biker is to blame.

There's no law that says you must only cross one lane at a time. If you hit someone from the rear you're pretty much always going to be at fault.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:32 PM   #24
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:33 PM   #25
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wheres scotty the stoppie king when we need an opinion on this one?

Good point. Same situation, biker was at fault. :/:
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:42 PM   #26
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Watch again..... Car was using blinker.
in Texas you must change one lane at a time and it is the obligation of the one changing lanes to ascertain if it is safe. I don't know about Poland. I couldn't see how fast the bike was going but I think the cage was at fault.
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Old 02-14-2008, 02:45 PM   #27
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why doesnt he go the same speed as traffic?(the cage)
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Tough to say who is at fault without knowing what was actually going on. To me it looks like the car was having mechanical trouble and the driver was attempting to move off the main lanes onto the exit/auxiliary lane. Look at the angle the car is moving across the lanes plus what looks like faded merge arrows on the pavement toward the top of the screen in that far right lane. Could have also been a incompetent driver or any number of things though.
As for the motorcyclist, he probably should have been able to avoid something like that. Maybe he thought the car would be out of the way by the time he intersected that point. Whatever happened to good ole' TARGET FIXATION?

edit: i did not vote b/c one cannot make a clear judgment from the video alone.
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Old 02-14-2008, 03:00 PM   #29
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This is clearly a case of NEI- Not Enough Information, but it's fun to speculate and debate. We learn by other's mistakes and hopefully not duplicate it.

Car- unsafe lane change for whatever reason (broken down, stupid, whatever)

Bike- by my observation, enough time passed where the bike should have had enough time to avoid the whole thing. I like the target fixation opinion of Mike's, and I still say that he was either going too fast to avoid, or target fixated.

Entertaining thread. Carry on.
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In a rear-end type collision, isn't it usually the unit in the rear that is at fault? The logic being that the operator should be paying attention to their changing surroundings and taking the proper precautions/actions to avoid running into another motorist especially one that is ahead and in plain view?
ex: If unit 1 suddenly stops on a freeway and unit 2 rear-ends unit 1 it would be unit 2's fault for not controlling his/her vehicle and colliding into unit 1. It doesn't matter why unit 1 stopped, unit 2 should have been able to do the same. If unit 2 could not stop in time, the operator would be cited for failure to control speed (or maybe improper following distance?) b/c he/she couldn't stop in time.
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Old 02-14-2008, 03:13 PM   #31
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I'm wondering if the car was pulling to the side of the road for some reason. Maybe mechanical? He's just driving really slow.

About the accident.........

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Car shouldn't have pulled across the lanes like that. It's his responsibility to be sure it's safe before pulling over. He should get the ticket.

Rider should've had PLENTY of time to see what was happening (if he was looking far ahead) and he had plenty of room to swerve left to avoid the car.


This is exactly why I think it's important to always be looking far down the road and be sure that your stopping/swerving skills are top notch, which is a good reason to take classes such as the ERC that we have coming up March 8.

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THE CAR'S FOR CHANGING LANES LIKE THAT, BUT THE RIDER COULD'VE DEFINETELY SWERVED AROUND THE CAR. HE HAD ENOUGH SPACE AND TIME TO DO THAT.
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While we have no clue why the car suddenly turned right at a slow pace. (How many times do you see this move riding around the Houston area?)

From what we can see however, I place the blame on the Motorcyclist. I don't think this is an example of target fixation. He/She panicked and grabbed too much front brake resulting in the accident. This accident could have/should have been easily avoided.

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Old 02-14-2008, 03:29 PM   #35
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This is exactly why I think it's important to always be looking far down the road and be sure that your stopping/swerving skills are top notch, which is a good reason to take classes such as the ERC that we have coming up March 8.

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Old 02-14-2008, 04:19 PM   #36
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"in Texas you must change one lane at a time and it is the obligation of the one changing lanes to ascertain if it is safe."

I keep seeing this quote, and it's a good practice, but unfortunantly it's not true. If we're talking about legal fault then the biker would be at fault in this situation for rear-ending the car.

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§545.061 - DRIVING ON MULTIPLE-LANE ROADWAY
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Although there’s no law requiring it, you should only change one lane at a time. If you need to get across several lanes, move over one lane, establish yourself in that lane, then move over to the next lane. And don't forget your turn signal each time (which, by the way, is required by §545.104)!
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cars fault,, yes the biker could have avoided it if he was scanning,, but he was probably following the speeding car in front of him right b4 impact.,its still the cars fault to me,
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No matter how you look at it, how many times you watch the video, the BIKE was at FAULT. Sure the cage contributed to the accident. But nonetheless, it was the rider of the bike that was at fault. Fact #1. The far right lane was a lane that was ending and had to merge to the left. Fact #2. The cage was moving across lanes SLOWLY. As slow as that car was changing lanes, ANYONE that was paying attention could of easily avoided the accident.

Unfortunately too many motorcycle riders zip in and out of traffic EXPECTING the EXPECTED. It's the UNEXPECTED that's going to bite you in the every time just like it did this guy.

As far as we know, the cage died and the driver was trying to coast over to the side of the road to get out of the way of the traffic.

It's an unfortunate accident, but definitely could of been avoided by the motorcycle rider. He made two mistakes. #1 Did not expect the unexpected, wasn't looking ahead. #2 He found himself in a panic situation and did not react correctly. Instead of swerving left he just locked up the breaks
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bike was in excess of speed.
He did hammer on the front brakes instead of trying to swerve to the lft.
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