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Old 02-14-2008, 01:06 PM   #1
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Another one Whos Fault?

Who is at fault?

What could have been done to prevent this?

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Old 02-14-2008, 01:08 PM   #2
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No blinker. Cars fault 100%
Watch again..... Car was using blinker.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:13 PM   #4
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if the motorcyclist had taken MSF course.. he could have swerved and avioded it..
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:14 PM   #5
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Blinker or not, he cut across lanes without proper caution- Biker looks like he was changing lanes, also, though, so maybe he wasn't paying attention to the situation... :/: unfortunate accident, but he looks like he's okay.

If you watch the vid carefully, you can see he did a stoppie throwing him over the car and into the street, then the bike hit the car.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:15 PM   #7
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doesn't matter if the car used his blinker.... you can't cut across two lanes of traffic at 5mph in the middle of a highway. That would be filed under "unsafe lane change" in Texas. The rider can't be held responsible for failure to control speed since the car cut in front of him FAAAAR below the speed limit.
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doesn't matter if the car used his blinker.... you can't cut across two lanes of traffic at 5mph in the middle of a highway. That would be filed under "unsafe lane change" in Texas. The rider can't be held responsible for failure to control speed since the car cut in front of him FAAAAR below the speed limit.
Rider appeared to be going same speed as the rest of the traffic.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:23 PM   #9
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Easy one; rider's fault for speeding, driver's fault for improper lane change and improper speed. I guess it would make the driver more at fault, but I think traffic enforcement would find this a "no fault" accident.

*edit- if the rider wasn't speeding, then he should have been able to avoid that one.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:27 PM   #10
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car's at fault, unsafe lane changes. motorcyclist should pay more attention ahead or scan ahead. Notice in the video that it is a few seconds before the impact. Hard to say if it's avoidable.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:27 PM   #11
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i blame the car for not knowing how to drive on the highway. No need to make lane changes that slow.
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Old 02-14-2008, 01:29 PM   #12
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Rider at fault.

1. Car had blinker on and was moving slooooooow.

2. Bike speed looks higher than surrounding traffic to me.

3. Bone head moves by cars should be expected.

4. Bike hits car in right hand lane which is about to end. I'm guessing the lane was being used by the rider to get around the congestion.

5. A swerve left would have cleared the whole mess. Reduced speed likely avoids the situation entirely.

The car contributed to the situation, but I do not think this rider was playing the "what if" game. This should be part of everyone's risk reduction strategy.
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cage at fault, i was in a car accident and totalled my car because of a driver needed to make a right turn in about 5 feet while they were in the left lane going 45 mph,.....blinker or no blinker, there shouldnt be a lane change that drastic and im sure there is a rule like , have ur signal on for at least 50 ft before changing lanes or something.
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Have you ever seen a SLOW lane say 10MPH on the freeway? NO. It was the cars fault. The cars passing him could have even shielded what he was doing from the bikes view.
By traffic laws, yes, the car driver is probably at fault. But if you are the downed rider, who really cares? Assuming that is a straight road, if the rider was scanning ahead (and choosing lane positions where he could do so), there was plenty of time to avoid that accident. I know if it was me, I would be beating myself up for making the decision to pass on the right. I would also be placing helmet sized craters in the hood of that car.

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Old 02-14-2008, 01:44 PM   #16
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Cant' see the video, but some things to think about...
Note for the reading impaired! I am NOT saying that what happened in the video (which I cannot see). I'm tossing out things to consider...


A car that's broken down, has a flat etc...could be moving slow to manuever to the shoulder.
An object/objects in the lane, blocking traffic.


The point.. IF you want to survive as a rider you HAVE to be vigilant. You have to be smart and ride smart.
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geez...there sure is a lot of assuming going on here... and you know what happens when you do that.

u can't tell if the bike is speeding...you can't tell if the bike was passing or just riding in that lane, you can't tell if the rider was scanning or not...all you can see is the small part of the highway where the car turned. so all the people saying the rider "should have payed attention, should have scanned, shouldn't have been passing" you're basing those assumptions on what you THINK he was doing not what you SAW him do.
If you think a small swerve to the left would have saved him.... next time imagine travelling on 610, at the speed limit, and having someone go from a dead stop to cutting two lanes right in front of you, with other traffic around you....let's see how fast you react to that.

If i were the accident investigator...based soley of traffic law and the facts that i see...the Car is at fault. You can't show the bike was speeding or doing anything else unsafe. You must signal your lane changes for 100ft and can only change lanes 1 at a time. Therefore, changing two lanes at once without signalling for 100ft, and going at most 10mph on a highway (also illegal) constitutes an unsafe lane change by Tx state law. But that's just me.
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Cage fault, but I think the biker was not paying attention for whatever reason and could have avoided the wreck. There's almost 4 seconds from the time the car starts to change lanes till impact. There is always a shoulds coulda woulda after the fact on just about anything though. Stiil sucks
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geez...there sure is a lot of assuming going on here... and you know what happens when you do that.
a'ight, I'm done. Just chalk my comments in the "what would you do to avoid this situation" category. The majority of my 70,000 plus riding miles have been commuting on freeways, and I've seen people slam into lane changing cars when I had time to say "wake up fool" a few times before they made contact. That's one of my favorite things about riding, it makes you so much more aware of your surroundings. I applied that knowledge here, but you are correct, I'm assuing about things I cannot possibly know for this rider.

{sarcasm on}Maybe he will get a check from the car driver's insurance company so he can ride again when his bones heal.{/sarcasm off}
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