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Old 02-05-2008, 08:15 PM   #1
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track difficulty levels? for any track guys to answer

ok so for the past month ive been to msrh a few times and i love it, i see the addiction coming in, and all i did was cruise on the track during a practice session for the ccs race, i will def. take my first td at msrh, what i was wondering is do the tracks around se texas have difficulty levels? like the video games you know? beginner, moderate, hard? if so what is msrh level? or is all tracks the same?

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Tough question. Some are more technical than others(MSRH>TWS (Texas World Speedway)), some are much faster (TWS (Texas World Speedway)>MSRH), Others combine high speed and technical(cresson). It really depends on the rider's preference and comfort level(speed, turning, braking etc...). I find MSRH fun but a little boring at times(b/c very few variations of the race line. Maybe its just me). TWS (Texas World Speedway) is cool b/c you get to play with a ton of different lines thoughout the track. I find variety is the best way to go at it.

Just go do a few td's at each venue and see. I think you'll find that each has its various levels of difficulty.
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Old 02-05-2008, 08:32 PM   #3
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bigc what do you mean variations of race line?
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I'd recommend taking an LSTD group C class with instruction at the track of your choice, and then do MSRH.
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If you want to do a trackday at MSRH LMS has a noob trackday in March there.
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bigc what do you mean variations of race line?
Means there are several different lines through the corner that you can take and still have a good corner speed and a fast exit speed.

This is very beneficial when passing in corners and allows you to try different lines through corners and see how it effects your corner speed and your exit speed.
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NOOB DAY!!!!!

If you are going to go with Longhorn Motorcycle School, then definitely do the NOOB day first.

If not, then do an event that has three separate groups like Patrick mentioned.

I recommend against going to a regular LMS day for your first time on a track. It can be done but it's not the best environment for a NOOB.
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ok i understand the noob day, and i will, was asking opinions on track difficulties around se texas. thanks
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Means there are several different lines through the corner that you can take and still have a good corner speed and a fast exit speed.

This is very beneficial when passing in corners and allows you to try different lines through corners and see how it effects your corner speed and your exit speed.
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all tracks are different. there's no REAL "difficulty level" to any of them....they just have their own characteristics.

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The difficulty level is dependant on you and your lap times. 2:00+ is easy anywhere, while breaking the track record is VERY difficult anywhere. See what I mean. You get out what you put in, or it is as hard or easy as you want it to be. Difficulty is in your mind Grasshopper.
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The difficulty level is dependant on you and your lap times. 2:00+ is easy anywhere, while breaking the track record is VERY difficult anywhere. See what I mean. You get out what you put in, or it is as hard or easy as you want it to be. Difficulty is in your mind Grasshopper.
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ok so for the past month ive been to msrh a few times and i love it, i see the addiction coming in, and all i did was cruise on the track during a practice session for the ccs race, i will def. take my first td at msrh, what i was wondering is do the tracks around se texas have difficulty levels? like the video games you know? beginner, moderate, hard? if so what is msrh level? or is all tracks the same?

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A lot of tracks have different facets. The Angleton (MSRH) track is pretty technical, but being without any elevation or blind corners, is not nearly as technical as Cresson or Oak Hill- I would rate those two tracks "more challenging", which for me, equals more fun! Texas World is likely the least technical of them all, but it has it's own characteristics that make it challenging, and rewards riders with good cornerspeed/ throttle control/ entry / exit speeds with fast laps. So you really can't "rate" a track's difficulty very easily or accurately, each is unique.

Grand Sport Speedway is extremely similar to MSRH in the regard that it's flat, it is reasonably technical, and has new smooth pavement with great grip. This track is exceptionally good with regard to run off space that is without walls or trees (not that anyone should run off, but if you do, chances are smaller that you'll hit something).

Personally, I see Grand Sport Speedway, and MSRH as more of "instruction" tracks, that can probably do a better job teaching "new" riders the art of body position, throttle control, corner speed, etc, without the factor of a nervous rider that comes up on blind elevated corners.

LSTD is having our first event for '08 (our 8th year in business, longer than anyone else) at Grand Sport Speedway (South Houston, www.grandsportspeedway.com) on February 16th- we have the "C" group there along with our rider's school which is the "noob" group that we've been teaching since day one. It's less expensive for us to have track days there, and we pass that savings on to our customers at $140 for the day + a nominal fee of $25 for all day one-on-one instruction with classroom time. If you miss the event on the 16th, we also have one on March 17th there. The complete schedule can be found on our web site www.lstd.com .

For the low-down answer about how tracks rate, it's all a matter of preference and opinion. Some like some tracks for different reasons, some find some tracks more challenging, some find some tracks more "fun", all for unique reasons. As far as difficulty levels go, it's all good when you're learning to go faaaaaast!
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A lot of tracks have different facets. The Angleton (MSRH) track is pretty technical, but being without any elevation or blind corners, is not nearly as technical as Cresson or Oak Hill- I would rate those two tracks "more challenging", which for me, equals more fun! Texas World is likely the least technical of them all, but it has it's own characteristics that make it challenging, and rewards riders with good cornerspeed/ throttle control/ entry / exit speeds with fast laps. So you really can't "rate" a track's difficulty very easily or accurately, each is unique.

Grand Sport Speedway is extremely similar to MSRH in the regard that it's flat, it is reasonably technical, and has new smooth pavement with great grip. This track is exceptionally good with regard to run off space that is without walls or trees (not that anyone should run off, but if you do, chances are smaller that you'll hit something).

Personally, I see Grand Sport Speedway, and MSRH as more of "instruction" tracks, that can probably do a better job teaching "new" riders the art of body position, throttle control, corner speed, etc, without the factor of a nervous rider that comes up on blind elevated corners.

LSTD is having our first event for '08 (our 8th year in business, longer than anyone else) at Grand Sport Speedway (South Houston, www.grandsportspeedway.com) on February 16th- we have the "C" group there along with our rider's school which is the "noob" group that we've been teaching since day one. It's less expensive for us to have track days there, and we pass that savings on to our customers at $140 for the day + a nominal fee of $25 for all day one-on-one instruction with classroom time. If you miss the event on the 16th, we also have one on March 17th there. The complete schedule can be found on our web site www.lstd.com .

For the low-down answer about how tracks rate, it's all a matter of preference and opinion. Some like some tracks for different reasons, some find some tracks more challenging, some find some tracks more "fun", all for unique reasons. As far as difficulty levels go, it's all good when you're learning to go faaaaaast!
now thats what i was looking for! thanks for taking the time to write that essay. lol, and thaks for the other comments from every1 else
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I would say it depends on you, your current skill, your confidence.... its not like a video game as far as easy/hard. its like a video game as far as picking the track you like though. but in the game you have to try them out to know which one you like. same thing applies. now the easy/hard, that is your choice in opponents, and from what I gather and I don't agree with it much, you have to do a beginner race season before you can jump into expert. :/:
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FYI - I rode H2R yesterday and it is probably the most technical track I've ever ridden. Tie w/ OHR as most fun, me thinks.
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FYI - I rode H2R yesterday and it is probably the most technical track I've ever ridden. Tie w/ OHR as most fun, me thinks.
, sounds interesting....how is the pavement and runoff space? is it fully operational yet?
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Nope nothing there yet 'cept the track. Track's still green, it was WINDY (30mph+) and dusty too. But the Laguna-esque drop going CW is friggin amazing. But too dangerous, IMHO, that direction for TD's. CCW is way fun too though. Couple of full lean, full brake turns like OHR schoolhouse. But faster. AND!!! Its the closest track to me. 45 minutes from SA.
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The difficulty level is dependant on you and your lap times. 2:00+ is easy anywhere, while breaking the track record is VERY difficult anywhere. See what I mean. You get out what you put in, or it is as hard or easy as you want it to be. Difficulty is in your mind Grasshopper.
I wouldn't say 2:00+ is easy at TWS (Texas World Speedway). 2:10+ is easy.
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