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Old 02-05-2008, 04:19 PM   #21
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yeah, its called use the clutch!
Shouldn't be necessary in lower gears...unless you are wanting to pop um from slower than normal speeds i.e a second gear at 30 mph...throttle on an R1 is all you need through the first 3 gears, but especially the first 2...
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:22 PM   #22
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There is some sort of detuning/anti-wheelie stuff goin on in there.
There is a big change in the low end torque between the '04+ and previous models. On '03 and '02 models you could bring it up clutchless going very slow with stock gearing. On later R1's, you can't power up the bikes untill 30 mph unless you change the gearing. I went down 1 and up 3 and my bike still doesn't come up as easy as the older models when going slow.

The problem is only with slow wheelies. Once you get over that hump it will power up in any of the lower gears. Just sit back, hit it, and don't be a Sally.

Always wondered what changed. I believe they did this to keep the front end down getting better starts in races. Would be nice to know if any of the guru's out there have the answer.
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Old 02-05-2008, 04:37 PM   #24
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why would you wanna wheelie a 1000cc bike in 1st gear anyways, thats something bad about to happen..... even in second, at 40, clutch it up so you get to balance point quicker....
Ahh I learned in first...o well, each his own but my point is that the bike ('02 at least) will wheelie rather easily and with little effort. 2nd gear wheelies on mines are easy (half turn n the wheel is coming up). I'm sure of it being easy because it's come up when I was just playing with the throttle in 3rd and while "attempting" to race somebody it popped up in 4th- that was pretty fcukin' scary I must admit (I'm not a wheelie guy).
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WOW! i guess everybody who post in the thread is a wheelie pro now.
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i have never ridden a sport bike that didnt powerwheelie.
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Just so that we are clear on the subject, I do NOT want to POWER WHEELIE. I am very HAPPY that it does NOT power wheelie. I just want to know WHY it doesn't.

I've been practicing my 1/4 mile and I'm pleased that the front tire doesn't try to come off the ground until I'm about to red line it in second gear. The bike hasn't been stretched and it has stock front/rear sprockets.

For those that like to drag race and have a tough time keeping that front tire on the ground off the line, you should know the advantage one has by keeping the tire down.

That's why I want to know so badly on why it's NOT doing a power wheelie. Down the road I don't want to be jacking with the bike trying to make it better only to screw up a good thing.
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u eat more cheeseburgers than you used to?

lol, j/k.

have you inspected the bike over to look for anything not stock? does it have any additional modules somewhere? like PC3, TRE type of junk? any airbox mods, what about the exhaust system? maybe something with the exup valve?

check the color of your spark plugs, see of one of them is different? check compression? leak-down test?

maybe one cylinder is actually down on power a bit, i dunno, im just throwing idea's out there. read through all the posts here again, it seems a couple guys said you could search and find something about limiters, etc...

dont factor yourself out either. as said in keith codes TOTW, and also the kawi field service advisor for the southern US said in our tech update...

if you go round and round with a machine trying to find something, and you just cant seem to nail what the problem is, start looking for the answer in humans, esp ourselves.

machines can do some wonky things, but they are far more predictable that we are, lol.
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Just so that we are clear on the subject, I do NOT want to POWER WHEELIE. I am very HAPPY that it does NOT power wheelie. I just want to know WHY it doesn't.

I've been practicing my 1/4 mile and I'm pleased that the front tire doesn't try to come off the ground until I'm about to red line it in second gear. The bike hasn't been stretched and it has stock front/rear sprockets.

For those that like to drag race and have a tough time keeping that front tire on the ground off the line, you should know the advantage one has by keeping the tire down.

That's why I want to know so badly on why it's NOT doing a power wheelie. Down the road I don't want to be jacking with the bike trying to make it better only to screw up a good thing.
fark that.

yeah, it may be easier to launch without having the fear of wheelying the bike out from under you, but this seems to me to indicate a serious problem with the bike.

it's an R1 for chrissakes, it well should wheelie with even a sniff of gas.
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my 03 r6 power wheelies in 1 and 2nd (-1 +2. i thought all r1's were notorious for power wheelies?
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my 03 r6 power wheelies in 1 and 2nd (-1 +2. i thought all r1's were notorious for power wheelies?
I've ridden mine hard at the track and it's never pulled more than a couple of inches and that was up near redline. Now my zx10..........different story altogether. The R1 is not stock.....and the ZX10 is.
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For those that Yamaha has done something different starting with the '04 models and up, I'm in agreement with you.

Last night hooked the PCIII up to the computer and downloaded the map that's currently on there. The map is for the R1 with Arata pipes. Nothing special there.

So now I know it's NOT a mod. Question is: What did Yamaha change? Gears? Sprockets? Any Guru freaks out there know the answer?
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I have a 00 R6 that I can pick up at will but it does have a stage III jet kit on it, I dont think Yamaha has changed too much over the years but I would check pre. models and compare
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For those that Yamaha has done something different starting with the '04 models and up, I'm in agreement with you.

Last night hooked the PCIII up to the computer and downloaded the map that's currently on there. The map is for the R1 with Arata pipes. Nothing special there.

So now I know it's NOT a mod. Question is: What did Yamaha change? Gears? Sprockets? Any Guru freaks out there know the answer?
Not sure if you figured it out, yet. Lift the tank and open the air box. Check the throttle bodies and make sure the secondary plates have not been removed. A lot of people on r1-forum were doing this and it actually makes your low end power sub-par.
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WOW! i guess everybody who post in the thread is a wheelie pro now.
wow! i forgot your the only wheelie pro in houston...
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