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Old 02-02-2008, 01:42 AM   #21
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i spend an average of $800-1000 per weekend.

entry fees, beer, friday practice, set of tires, beer, food, gas, oil, hotel, beer, liquor, other non essential beverages.....yeah, it's expensive.
Just don't get hammered the night before a trackday/race... feeling like you're gonna throw up inside your helmet while doing triple digits is not so cool
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i'm contemplating selling my gsxr and jump on a little ol ninja 250.
Fantastic way to have fun racing! I'd sell the GSXR and buy both a big bike and 250 though- I'd bet that you could swing that from the sale.
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Just don't get hammered the night before a trackday/race... feeling like you're gonna throw up inside your helmet while doing triple digits is not so cool
Thats what racing is all about!!! lol

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Old 02-02-2008, 02:34 PM   #24
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Fantastic way to have fun racing! I'd sell the GSXR and buy both a big bike and 250 though- I'd bet that you could swing that from the sale.
Yea, that would be the way to go.
They are both so fun, I'd hate to give one of them up.
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Old 02-02-2008, 03:06 PM   #25
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Definitely a hard question, but take this as a number for what it's worth, but as a number for somebody trying to be competitive in multiple classes... and as everyone knows, things typically cost a little more than expected.

In 2004, I Sprinted four classes. Finished 3rd overall in two, missed the B-Superbike championship by a couple points (still bummed about that ), and won the Red River Challenge championship.

I was using two sets of tires towards four races... and then I would take the best remaining set and apply that towards the Red River Challenge race... a LONG sprint race so sometimes, if the tires where shagged, I'd buy a third set of tires (most of the time) if it was an RRC weekend... so lets go with the worst case scenario:

Entry = about $200 if memory serves.
Tires: 3 sets = $900
Race Gas (U4 10 gal.) = $140
Hotel for two nights = $150 (if it's an Endurance weekend)
Truck gas = $100 (a tank and a half maybe?)
Food = $50

TOTAL = $1540

This does not account for brake pads, change of oil and other odds and ends. Also, I was getting tire money back for placing well so that helped out A LOT cuz tires are your biggest expense... so I wasn't dropping $1540 EVERY weekend..... but a semi-decent weekend (ie, a couple bad finishes) meant low to no tire money... so that means Daddy's gotta pony up the green.

Also, what if you crash? Add that factor into things as well.

All in all, if you're looking to be competitive and you're running decent to faster times (ie, higher tire wear) then plan on spending at least $1000 or more.

HOWEVER, it all depends on how many classes you're going to run, how fast you are, blah-blah-blah.... so it's a hard question to answer, but you get the idea. I also like to roll at the hotel and eat out and you can save some money there.

I recommend that you take serious advantage of contingency in every form... all those nickles and dimes add up.
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Just don't get hammered the night before a trackday/race... feeling like you're gonna throw up inside your helmet while doing triple digits is not so cool
Todd your not a team player take one for the team next time.

But back on subject

I spend

Tires = $300
Racegas = $80
Oil change = $20
Entry Fees = $250 or so
Gas there and back = $60
Crashing way too often $ X000 through out sesason
Food = $0 Thank you CMFR
Lodging = $0 Thank you again CMFR

I averaged about 800 per weekend and i was racing on a small budget
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. this almost discourages me from racing... may I need to land a million $ stunt deal then start racing.... :/:


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If you go racing on a budget, here's a good estimation of costs.

Let's say an SV in 4 classes, IMO it's a waste of time to do less and a pita to do more.

So, 4 entry fees, and Saturday practice fee = $225.00

2 sets of tires = $550.00

Gas 20 gallons (premium pump gas, includes generator gas) = $65.00

Travel fuel; it depends on the race and what you drive, I budget $2200.00 per year / 10 races = $220.00 average

(Obviously TWS (Texas World Speedway) will only be $100.00, but Hallet will be over $400.00)

Oil, filters, brakes, misc fluids = $120.00 per weekend.

Hotel / lodging; I camp when I can, but Oak Hill has no showers, so you'll have to stay somewhere there. If you can split the room it's cheaper, figure $40.00 a night x 2 nights or $80.00 whenever you go to Oak Hill.

Entry to track: $15.00 / $10.00 to camp.

I don't count food as you have to eat regardless if you're at the track or not.


So figure $1200.00 to $1300.00 EASILY, or $12,000.00 to $13,000.00 a year.


That's if you don't crash, don't need any additional parts during the season and can do most of the maintenance yourself.


If you're fast, and can finish within the top 3 or so in your class, you may qualify for contingency from the various mfrs., the largest being tires, which can help defray some of the expense.


Most racers flow through the sport in 2-3 year spurts;

1st year, partial season, inexpensive bike, not a bunch of money = $6000.00 - $7000.00

2nd year, full season, better equipment = $15,000.00 - $20,000.00.

3rd year, partial season or not at all = broke, credit cards maxed from previous 2 seasons, wife / girlfriend not amused.


Lastly keep in mind none of this includes the initial purchase price / build of the bike, which can range from $5000.00 to $10,000.00.


IMO for most people it's wiser / cheaper to just do track days, you get more seat time, more tire life, less crash potential and entry fees are less.

Although you don't get the same thrill of competition for winning a $15.00 plastic trophy, your wallet will thank you.
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Old 02-08-2008, 09:46 AM   #29
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well put patrick.

my fiance was not amused at what i spent last year.....so it's not gonna happen this year.

and todd wasn't amused after we got hammered the day before the races

racing by all means is not a cheap sport. it's exciting and all....but if you gotta do it on a VERY tight budget.....you will not be competitive. if you can't dish out at least $1,000 per race weekend......you won't be able to afford it. remember, novices are lucky if they make enough to cover some of their expensives......EXPERT races is where the contigency money is at.

if you can find a bike already race built, that would be the best bet. i must've spent at least $11,000 on my bike (including the $5,500 i paid for the bike)
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Actually you stand a better chance of making money as a novice.

Once you get promoted to expert, you've got to face guys like Ty, Brandon, Chris, Cory and Zac, not to mention the occasional appearance by full time AMA riders like Shea, Tyler, etc..

It's one of the reasons the CMRA doesn't see a lot of racers who won novice championships return to race as an expert; the field at that level is VERY deep / competitive and it makes it very difficult to consistently get witihn the top 3 for the money.
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Actually you stand a better chance of making money as a novice.

Once you get promoted to expert, you've got to face guys like Ty, Brandon, Chris, Cory and Zac, not to mention the occasional appearance by full time AMA riders like Shea, Tyler, etc..

It's one of the reasons the CMRA doesn't see a lot of racers who won novice championships return to race as an expert; the field at that level is VERY deep / competitive and it makes it very difficult to consistently get witihn the top 3 for the money.
Hi Patrick,
was does it cost to run at Brandon's level by comparrisson ??
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was does it cost to run at Brandon's level by comparrisson ??
To much!
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Jeff forgot to factor in the hair care products.
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Endurance racing is cheaper than the sprints. When we were really being cheap we would race with scrubs. That make a huge difference in price. And you get tons of seat time doing the endurance races. When your endurancing you can have up to 5 riders to split the expense with.
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was does it cost to run at Brandon's level by comparrisson ??
Jeff's list is pretty close to what Brandon's is (obviously Patrick knows exactly what it is!) but Jeff was racing at Brandon's level with his comparison (sans hair care products that Supapro don't use none of!).

Some guys bank on a couple grand for a weekend and are happy when they're able to spend less.

As Gabe and I mentioned earlier, endurance is the best bang for the dollar. Most seat time, split costs, and you get in some real good battles 3 or 4 times in one stint!
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Jeff forgot to factor in the hair care products.
Is it true at one point he was going through a hair dryer a race as well? Experts!
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Is it true at one point he was going through a hair dryer a race as well? Experts!
I think some of the higher end dryers were getting as much as 3 races, but maybe those were the ones where the wind was blowing and he was getting some Fabio moments for the camera? :HC:
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