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Old 01-30-2008, 04:43 PM   #81
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depends on the speed and the angle of the rear tire in relation to the ft and path of travel.
So if you're not leaned in enough to high side, how would a quick stab get the slide going?
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So if you're not leaned in enough to high side, how would a quick stab get the slide going?
not a quick stab lock that sucker up look at where you want to go and lean that B*tch! it will slide... Lock up the rear 1st then hold down the front brake and it will whip right on around in a big circle
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not a quick stab lock that sucker up look at where you want to go and lean that B*tch! it will slide... Lock up the rear 1st then hold down the front brake and it will whip right on around in a big circle
Dude, we're talking about backing it into a turn (at speed) not skidding in a parking lot.
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Dude, we're talking about backing it into a turn (at speed) not skidding in a parking lot.
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backing it in.........not caused by locking up your rear tire. initiated by downshift and lean angle, not rear brake.
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Dude, we're talking about backing it into a turn (at speed) not skidding in a parking lot.
Close to the same thing. The simple answer is every straight on the track is a drag strip and the last one to brake is the winner and to do that you have to use everything you can to slow down enough to make the turn.
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backing it in.........not caused by locking up your rear tire. initiated by downshift and lean angle, not rear brake.
THANK YOU...glad we got someone who actually races/rides the track to confirm...
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Close to the same thing. The simple answer is every straight on the track is a drag strip and the last one to brake is the winner and to do that you have to use everything you can to slow down enough to make the turn.
Well, if you watch the mechanics of the bike in motion through a turn (assuming they are backing it in) the rear tire is spinning. Skidding is the complete opposite. So I would be inclined to say no, they are not the same.

However, I just want to clarify how the slide (backing it in) is initiated. I am under the impression that loading the front lightens the rear and it is more of centrifugal force that pushes the rear out for the slide, and not locking up the rear wheel at all.
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Well, if you watch the mechanics of the bike in motion through a turn (assuming they are backing it in) the rear tire is spinning. Skidding is the complete opposite. So I would be inclined to say no, they are not the same.

However, I just want to clarify how the slide (backing it in) is initiated. I am under the impression that loading the front lightens the rear and it is more of centrifugal force that pushes the rear out for the slide, and not locking up the rear wheel at all.
Dude have you never locked up your rear tire by downshifting? it locks skids then catches spins and your off to the races again
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Got two...thanks.

So you guys are saying it's the down shifting and rear brake that initiate the slide and not the loading of the front?
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not a quick stab lock that sucker up look at where you want to go and lean that B*tch! it will slide... Lock up the rear 1st then hold down the front brake and it will whip right on around in a big circle
I think we're talking about different things here but I'd love to see you do that
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Dude have you never locked up your rear tire by downshifting? it locks skids then catches spins and your off to the races again
Why in the would someone ever want to lock up the rear on a track?

locks, skids, catches = OUCH

I have had my rear hop a time or two on me, but I remedied that by learning to rev match better. But even then it's not locking it up, but merely going slower than the bike is.
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Why in the would someone ever want to lock up the rear on a track?

locks, spins, catches = OUCH

I have had my rear hop a time or two on me, but I remedied that by learning to rev match better. But even then it's not locking it up, but merely going slower than the bike is.
You ask what initiates the skid/slide only 2 was to make that happened lock it up and release it or downshift and release the clutch to quick and the rear will slide the front brakes wont make the rear slide like that
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Why in the would someone ever want to lock up the rear on a track?

...locks, skids, catches...
Yep, sounds like the characteristics of a high-side...
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any time I have ever "backed it in" its been from down shifting abd being on the front brakes. no back brake involved. and its always on accident, normally only happens at msrh when i'm coming into the diamnonds edge. and when i'm going through the bus stop there is that one little straight (maybe 50 yards) and I top out secod, and get on the front brakes and it sometimes breaks loose there.


it is the downshifting ( back tire spinning slower than it needs to be to grab) and the unloading of the end that do it to me. not the back brake.

did I mention all the thread trolling that is going on in here? in thr "racers lounge" too... :/: don't see any of the pws though...

except me and i'm on topic here.
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My understanding from several racers I know is:
As you brake hard for a tight slower corner eg. a hairpin, you bang down the gears, engage the slipper clutch (if you have one) and dab the rear brake to initiate the “backing in” by getting the rear tyre to let go. This is when it is done deliberately to aid the turning process and help point the bike in the direction it needs to go.
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My understanding from several racers I know is:
As you brake hard for a tight slower corner eg. a hairpin, you bang down the gears, engage the slipper clutch (if you have one) and dab the rear brake to initiate the “backing in” by getting the rear tyre to let go. This is when it is done deliberately to aid the turning process and help point the bike in the direction it needs to go.
That's some hardcore right there! So you're saying the rear brake is not needed to back it in? (unless you're a pro and/or scrubbing speed?)

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downshifting....loading the front with the front brake allows the rear to break loose easier....and stay stead on the gas through the turn........barely use the rear brake to control wheel spin....if you chop the throttle, you will high side.

i've done it a few times on the motard. scary nonetheless
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