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Old 01-30-2008, 09:39 AM   #61
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wtf is a rear brake? does every bike have one? :dontknow:

i hardly ever use the rear brake. street or track. i might use it slightly to help settle the rear wheel on extreme downshifting....but really, it's just there for decoration.
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IMO, on the street you should be using both. My thoughts are in a panic braking situation you need to be using both and if you are in the habit of only using the front, you will only use the front in a panic situation.

Do a little test for yourself....hit a parking lot and try braking front only, rear only, and both and see which slows/stops you faster.
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okay, so who uses the rear brake and when do you use it?

im just curious as to when its supposed to be used on the track,, i havent ever been to the track yet, so i would like to get some more input on rear brake usage.

as for street use, the only time i use my rear brake it to slow down midturn, where as i do not want to apply so much braking pressure to just the front tire when the bike is leaned over, so i use both brakes whilst through a turn.
so when do u guys use it? and why do u use it..(i need to know so i can understand) =P
Actually, applying more pressure to the front in a turn will increase traction to the front. It is called trail braking. You don't want to apply rear brake in a turn as it will unload the front suspension and increse your chances of a lowside. Also, abruptly releasing the front brake midturn will also unload the front and increase the chance of a lowside. On the street, if you need to apply brake midturn to make the turn, you have gone in w/ too much entry speed. On the street, you should get all of your braking done prior to turn-in. Pavement irregularities, traffic etc. all add up to bad things if you are having to regularly adjust speed in turns... Slow in, fast out...
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I use my rear all the time. Getting on the rear first, then the front, actually settles the bike and helps cure front end dive. If you slow down the weight transfer to the front, you cure the rear hopping in the air.
I can float my rear tire off the ground getting hard on the fronts, but it serves no purpose.
Another thing to do is pay attention to adjusting the rear. I have mine set so it is almost impossible to lock, so it is one less thing to think about in a panic braking situation.
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when I used to ride i used both, at first when was learning i would lock the rear inadvertly from time to time, then would lock it just for fun


At the track I wuuld focus more on the front, and also, my first two track days I was learning pretty much, then I started to trail brake..still no rear brake.
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Actually, applying more pressure to the front in a turn will increase traction to the front. It is called trail braking. You don't want to apply rear brake in a turn as it will unload the front suspension and increse your chances of a lowside. Also, abruptly releasing the front brake midturn will also unload the front and increase the chance of a lowside. On the street, if you need to apply brake midturn to make the turn, you have gone in w/ too much entry speed. On the street, you should get all of your braking done prior to turn-in. Pavement irregularities, traffic etc. all add up to bad things if you are having to regularly adjust speed in turns... Slow in, fast out...
+ a bill, trail braking is teh BESTESTSIST
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The rear brake is used right up to the the highest level.
Skilled racers use it to initiate “backing it in” and to control wheel spin.
I've never seen anyone use the back brake to back it in, that's done by pre-loading the outta the front, which of course lightens the rear. Locking it up and tryin' to slide in is going to get you hurt. , you don't even do that on a dirt bike. But I'm no skilled racer so....

I use the back brake to keep my head off the ground.
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I've never seen anyone use the back brake to back it in, that's done by pre-loading the outta the front, which of course lightens the rear. Locking it up and tryin' to slide in is going to get you hurt. , you don't even do that on a dirt bike. But I'm no skilled racer so....

I use the back brake to keep my head off the ground.
Yeah I always thought they did that with the engine speed as opposed to actually using the rear brake, I' uno :dontknow:
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You are either using the rear brake or the engine to back it in and with slipper clutches in the picture it would be more rear brake then ever.
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I've never seen anyone use the back brake to back it in, that's done by pre-loading the outta the front, which of course lightens the rear. Locking it up and tryin' to slide in is going to get you hurt. , you don't even do that on a dirt bike. But I'm no skilled racer so....

I use the back brake to keep my head off the ground.
“Initiate” is the key word here.
Backing it in on the rear brake with the wheel locked is show boating…………………. different
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“Initiate” is the key word here.
Backing it in on the rear brake with the wheel locked is show boating…………………. different
But if you start the slide with the brake, would it not grab (possibly high side) when you back off? That just seems a bit crazy, like a big "no no"....know what I mean?
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But if you start the slide with the brake, would it not grab (possibly high side) when you back off? That just seems a bit crazy, like a big "no no"....know what I mean?
no I never had a problem doing it in the park and lot but i wasnt going that fast just showing off and burned a lotta rubber of my tire stupid I know
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If in doubt, don't use it. Risk/reward ratio is not there in most instances and 95% of riders would be better off using the concentration to apply the front brake harder.

And for godsakes don't start thinking about retarded MSF percentages while you're trying to stop.
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But if you start the slide with the brake, would it not grab (possibly high side) when you back off? That just seems a bit crazy, like a big "no no"....know what I mean?
depends on the speed and the angle of the rear tire in relation to the ft and path of travel.
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Actually, applying more pressure to the front in a turn will increase traction to the front. It is called trail braking. You don't want to apply rear brake in a turn as it will unload the front suspension and increse your chances of a lowside. Also, abruptly releasing the front brake midturn will also unload the front and increase the chance of a lowside. On the street, if you need to apply brake midturn to make the turn, you have gone in w/ too much entry speed. On the street, you should get all of your braking done prior to turn-in. Pavement irregularities, traffic etc. all add up to bad things if you are having to regularly adjust speed in turns... Slow in, fast out...
More weight on the front increases traction, more pressure on the lever may overload the tire. Abruptly releasing might save a lowside. The rear brake in a turn doesn't necessarily unload the front, I can certainly think of situations where it would weight it more.

Using the brake in a turn is no more dangerous than using the throttle. You may as well coast through turns if you're afraid of using the brake while leaned over. Street or track, it doesn't matter. It is not an on/off switch.
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