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Old 01-29-2008, 04:43 PM   #21
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Because of the embedded false notion of any amount of braking applied to the rear in an emergency stopping situation will make the light. This is of course to be applied to braking in a straight line. In the aforementioned braking situation, the general rule is to apply 70% to the front and 30% to the rear...this is optimal braking (in a straight line). Using the rear-when cornering- is another discussion but I rarely, IF EVER use the rear...
haha i still dont think its optimal braking if its 70/30.. mainly b/c i see moto gp videos where they are flying down the straights, then braking for the turn,, their rear tire is usually bouncing or hovering an inch off the ground,,, i think they know most about optimal braking,,

in msf, i agree, the avearge rider should use 70/30,, but its not the fastest way to stop.
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in msf, i agree, the avearge rider should use 70/30,, but its not the fastest way to stop.
so what is?
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haha i still dont think its optimal braking if its 70/30.. mainly b/c i see moto gp videos where they are flying down the straights, then braking for the turn,, their rear tire is usually bouncing or hovering an inch off the ground,,, i think they know most about optimal braking,,

in msf, i agree, the avearge rider should use 70/30,, but its not the fastest way to stop.
I'uuuunno....motogp guys aren't braking to stop but rather scrubbing off all the speed they put on in the str8 or in the short burst from T(x) to T(y). They usually carry every bit of that speed that they can into every turn...

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the only time im ever using the rear brake is if i run wide and go off track
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so what is?
well, like i said.. 100% to the front,, but if im wrong,, tell me the correct way and why,, bc i really want to know
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he knows not of what he speaks.........lol
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well, like i said.. 100% to the front,, but if im wrong,, tell me the correct way and why,, bc i really want to know
not understanding you, so you think 100% rear brake stops you the fastest?

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I always use the rear on the street. I mostly use two fingers on the front brake so I don't clamp down on the front in an emergency.

When I started riding years ago, I took the advice of my MSF instructor and I practiced finding the lockup point of the rear tire in a controlled environment under various amounts of front braking so that I could find out what could and couldn't be done with a rear brake.

I've locked it a time or two in a "panic stop" but generally I find that it helps to settle the bike when I'm coming to a quick(er) stop and avoids serious brake dive.
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I always use the rear on the street. I mostly use two fingers on the front brake so I don't clamp down on the front in an emergency.

When I started riding years ago, I took the advice of my MSF instructor and I practiced finding the lockup point of the rear tire in a controlled environment under various amounts of front braking so that I could find out what could and couldn't be done with a rear brake.

I've locked it a time or two in a "panic stop" but generally I find that it helps to settle the bike when I'm coming to a quick(er) stop and avoids serious brake dive.
so what percentage do you think you use, ft vs rear?
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no,, i mistyped that,corrected now, haha,, im dyslexic, and i hate it.
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not understanding you, so you think 100% rear brake stops you the fastest?
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no,, i mistyped that,corrected now, haha,, im dyslexic, and i hate it.
it's called threshold braking, your ft tire is on the verge of locking up. but it isn't. and i will say that sportbikes use a higher % ft then say a cruiser. but you still need to use your rear. and also concentrate on shifting your weight to the rear to keep that rear tire in contact, and using the rear brake as well.

this is street riding, not track.
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N/M i misread, you are correct, and the lock up effect happens easier when leaned over.

hence why i said new riders need to stay of the rears at the track.

but as you get better you will use your rear brakes

as for 100% ft on a straight line, WRONG. prolly 80-90% ft on sportbikes, but still need to use rear
thanks for the input, i agree with you now,, 80-90% to the front. for straight lines

i just had wrong impression because ive been watching too many motogp videos,, they are always hovering the rear tires/ hence i thought rear brakes would be useless in a straight line. i'm sure ill never be able to hover the rear tire like they do, but i was just going with what ive seen.
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you have a looooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggg way to go for that level.

just watch in awe. lol

first thing is to get thru a trackday w/o crashing. it seems as of late its hard to do.
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first thing is to get thru a trackday w/o crashing. it seems as of late its hard to do.
See Ed, this is kinda an unnecessary comment.... I let go in one ear out the other, but others may not....just an FYI in case you missed it why some people don't care for your internet persona
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Use it when the front is not slowing you down quick if enough and if using both don't keep you out of the dirt then only use it while you are in the dirt.
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it's called threshold braking, your ft tire is on the verge of locking up. but it isn't. and i will say that sportbikes use a higher % ft then say a cruiser. but you still need to use your rear. and also concentrate on shifting your weight to the rear to keep that rear tire in contact, and using the rear brake as well.

this is street riding, not track.

yea ive had an experience with threshold braking,, a stupid truck decided to stop on the freeway.. and i happened to be in the middle of the lane where most of the oil/slick spots are,, i got on the front and rear brakes right away and felt the front begin to slide/lock up, so i immediately compensated and regained traction.. lucking i stopped in time.

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thanks for the input, i agree with you now,, 80-90% to the front. for straight lines

i just had wrong impression because ive been watching too many motogp videos,, they are always hovering the rear tires/ hence i thought rear brakes would be useless in a straight line. i'm sure ill never be able to hover the rear tire like they do, but i was just going with what ive seen.
I watch alot of Motogp videos too,and there's certainly alot to learn. However, you have to keep reminding yourself that you will never ride like they ride. I mean us mere mortals can get pretty good with ample track time, and getting advise from the really fast guys. But watching MotoGp videos without making sure you don't go out there and try it sub-consciously can get you in trouble.

Oh yea 90% front brake for me
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