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Old 01-29-2008, 04:06 PM   #1
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Who uses the rear brake?

okay, so who uses the rear brake and when do you use it?

im just curious as to when its supposed to be used on the track,, i havent ever been to the track yet, so i would like to get some more input on rear brake usage.

as for street use, the only time i use my rear brake it to slow down midturn, where as i do not want to apply so much braking pressure to just the front tire when the bike is leaned over, so i use both brakes whilst through a turn.

so when do u guys use it? and why do u use it..(i need to know so i can understand) =P
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:07 PM   #2
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In a stright line stop I use 70% front, 30% rear.
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:12 PM   #3
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In a stright line stop I use 70% front, 30% rear.
That's about what I do. I found myself going to fast after already committing to a corner and used both brakes to slow myself. Of course I did that very smoothly. Any quick jerks or grabs and you will loose it. You want to adjust it to so when you apply it it will not take so much to lock it up. And if you do lock it up be prepared to let off immediately.
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well i was actually talking more about track technique.. but if i was to stop as fast as i could in a straight line,, it would be 100% front for me. Any brake usage to the rear would probably just lock it up, since the rear gets so light.
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for a new rider, at the track, concentrate on using only ft.

your wrong about your rear brake assumption.
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I use it only mid turn, if I am maintining throttle and need to slow down just a tad I will use the rear brake without letting off the gas, it will slow you a little while keeping the RPM up and not upset the bike by rolling on off the throttle. I dont use it very offten and when I do it is very lightly.

there are several books that make for great reads, and will help you learn and think about things that you would otherwise not, then you can put it to practice on the track, and in some cases on the street.
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18K on my bike and have never replaced the rear pads or even close to replacing them.
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Also keep in mind when you apply your front brakes the weight transfers to the front wheel and locking the rear up is easier to do.
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Nope never really use it- Rear brake- on the street particularly not when cornering, never going fast enough to feel like I have to (I've always thought it best to go as fast as you can into a corner without having to use the brake- this way you know you are not pushing it [I saw this technique in that "The Pace" write-up]) but to optimize braking in a straight line: 70% Front 30% Rear per MSF...I'm curious how much the track guys use it on the track though.

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.... The Pace focuses on bike control and de-emphasizes outright speed. Full-throttle acceleration and last minute braking aren't part of the program, effectively eliminating the two most common single-bike accident scenarios in sport riding. Cornering momentum is the name of the game, stressing strong, forceful inputs at the handlebar to place the bike correctly at the entrance of the turn and get it flicked in with little wasted time and distance. Since the throttle wasn't slammed open at the exit of the last corner, the next corner doesn't require much, if any, braking. It isn't uncommon to ride with our group and not see a brake light flash all morning.

.... If the brakes are required, the front lever gets squeezed smoothly, quickly and with a good deal of force to set entrance speed in minimum time. Running in on the brakes is tantamount to running off the road, a confession that you're pushing too hard and not getting your entrance speed set early enough because you stayed on the gas too long. Running The Pace decreases your reliance on the throttle and brakes, the two easiest controls to abuse, and hones your ability to judge cornering speed, which is the most thrilling aspect of performance street riding.
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Old 01-29-2008, 04:24 PM   #10
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I actually use the front brakes 80-90% and the other on the rear. The front brakes are what really stop you.
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for a new rider, at the track, concentrate on using only ft.

your wrong about your rear brake assumption.
whats my rear brake assumption?
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And another important item from The Pace...

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.... Crossing the centerline at any time except during a passing maneuver is intolerable, another sign that you're pushing too hard to keep up. Even when you have a clean line of sight through a left-hand kink, stay to the right of the centerline. Staying on the right side of the centerline is much more challenging than simply straightening every slight corner, and when the whole group is committed to this intelligent practice, the temptation to cheat is eliminated through peer pressure and logic. Though street riding shouldn't be described in racing terms, you can think of your lane as the race track. Leaving your lane is tantamount to a crash.

.... Exact bike control has you using every inch of your lane if the circumstances permit it. In corners with a clear line of sight and no oncoming traffic, enter at the far outside of the corner, turn the bike relatively late in the corner to get a late apex at the far inside of your lane and accelerate out, just brushing the far outside of your lane as your bike stands up. Steer your bike forcefully but smoothly to minimize the transition time. Don't hammer it down because the chassis will bobble slightly as it settles, possibly carrying you off line. Since you haven't charged in on the brakes, you can get the throttle on early, before the apex, which balances and settles your bike for the drive out.
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I think he is talking about this....

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well i was actually talking more about track technique.. but if i was to stop as fast as i could in a straight line,, it would be 100% front for me. Any brake usage to the rear would probably just lock it up, since the rear gets so light.
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ON THE TRACK....almost never....only when I come in hot, light rear brake while maintaining throttle position...this will help keep the bike from becoming "jumpy" mid turn.

on the street....almost never....
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why is that wrong? i need answers and an explanation,, or else i wont grasp the idea.

dont just say im wrong...
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N/M i misread, you are correct, and the lock up effect happens easier when leaned over.

hence why i said new riders need to stay of the rears at the track.

but as you get better you will use your rear brakes

as for 100% ft on a straight line, WRONG. prolly 80-90% ft on sportbikes, but still need to use rear
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whats my rear brake assumption?
you said that it has almost no affect because the rear end is so light...it will help using the rear brake, but yes you can lock it up too...but don't assume just because you are hard on the front brakes that the rear then becomes null and void....
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ON THE TRACK....almost never....only when I come in hot, light rear brake while maintaining throttle position...this will help keep the bike from becoming "jumpy" mid turn.

on the street....almost never....
thanks for the input.. thats what i was assuming,
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why is that wrong?
Because of the embedded false notion of any amount of braking applied to the rear in an emergency stopping situation will make the light. This is of course to be applied to braking in a straight line. In the aforementioned braking situation, the general rule is to apply 70% to the front and 30% to the rear...this is optimal braking (in a straight line). Using the rear-when cornering- is another discussion but I rarely, IF EVER use the rear...
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you said that it has almost no affect because the rear end is so light...it will help using the rear brake, but yes you can lock it up too...but don't assume just because you are hard on the front brakes that the rear then becomes null and void....
true, but for me, when i panic, or need to stop immediately, i usually get on both brakes right away... then gradually move more braking to the front, while getting off the rear brake.. im sure the rear brake has many uses,, im just here to get more explanations.
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