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Old 01-25-2008, 05:46 PM   #61
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Preciate it bruh...

Alot of what McKee is alluding too is true. Lots of dudes make it out and stay away which is understandable because of something WitchDoc alluded to and that is that some would accuse you of not being black anymore. Typical response is a simple question: What the ****...is black? Is educated NOT black? Is successful NOT black? Is it what you make of it and if you want to knock me for both wanting to be successful and act like I've got some got- sense then you can kiss my . I'm still in the hood every weekend talking to these lil youngsters when I can trying to show them that there ARE other options WITHOUT losing any credibility or being a so-called Tom. One thing I will say though in defense of those that move a away and stay away is that when you have things, others that don't have will target you. Jealousy is a helluva thing and it takes a very special person to want to stand vis a vis....

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im not making excuses, im saying why they are the way they are. I still think they should be punished


more so then they do now
what's the point of punishing people more when it doesn't change their behavior?
that's why so many people talk about wanting to just kill all the inmates.
and i can't blame them, but they should first at least try to allocate some funds or try some progressive sort of behavior modification or something
instead of spending all this money on a system that mostly just temporarily contains, if not worsens, the problem.
so why emphasize punishment when it's not working?
is it too liberal to suggest treating criminals in ways that might help them be better people?
i know there are good decent people out there that need help too, but it might be in our country's best interest to focus on treating criminals more.
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I know brown on the outside is a coconut... what is white on the outside and brown on the inside?...a 2 week old ?
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what's the point of punishing people more when it doesn't change their behavior?
that's why so many people talk about wanting to just kill all the inmates.
and i can't blame them, but they should first at least try to allocate some funds or try some progressive sort of behavior modification or something
instead of spending all this money on a system that mostly just temporarily contains, if not worsens, the problem.
so why emphasize punishment when it's not working?
is it too liberal to suggest treating criminals in ways that might help them be better people?
i know there are good decent people out there that need help too, but it might be in our country's best interest to focus on treating criminals more.
I think we should modify behavior to prevent them from doing the crimes to begin with.

Jail also prevents crime. I know I would do certain things, if I knew i wouldn't go to jail for it.


But I agree in the sense what we have now isn't obviously working. Nor, do I have a suggestion on how we can change it.
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I know brown on the outside is a coconut... what is white on the outside and brown on the inside?...a 2 week old ?
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hes gettin' a tattoo yeah, hes gettin' ink done. he asked for a thirteen but they drew a thirty one....
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what's the point of punishing people more when it doesn't change their behavior?
that's why so many people talk about wanting to just kill all the inmates.
and i can't blame them, but they should first at least try to allocate some funds or try some progressive sort of behavior modification or something
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so why emphasize punishment when it's not working?
is it too liberal to suggest treating criminals in ways that might help them be better people?
i know there are good decent people out there that need help too, but it might be in our country's best interest to focus on treating criminals more.
when ppl have no fix is a waste of money, instead of doing that make sentences longer

i dont think re education at an older age will change them a bit
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when ppl have no fix is a waste of money, instead of doing that make sentences longer

i dont think re education at an older age will change them a bit
i'm sure the prison industry could appreciate that perspective, since if you just want to lock up everyone for good because they aren't going to change(which seems the only logical thing to do, given that attitude) america won't have to worry about losing it's #1 spot on imprisonment of it's people. or better yet, why not just kill all of them if they aren't going to change. i personally think changing the system to be more treatment oriented is better than building more prisons or making some sort of 3 strikes and your dead law.
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i'm sure the prison industry could appreciate that perspective, since if you just want to lock up everyone for good because they aren't going to change(which seems the only logical thing to do, given that attitude) america won't have to worry about losing it's #1 spot on imprisonment of it's people. or better yet, why not just kill all of them if they aren't going to change. i personally think changing the system to be more treatment oriented is better than building more prisons or making some sort of 3 strikes and your dead law.

i like that idea. gets the job done AND is cost efficient. its a win/win situation.
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i'm sure the prison industry could appreciate that perspective, since if you just want to lock up everyone for good because they aren't going to change(which seems the only logical thing to do, given that attitude) america won't have to worry about losing it's #1 spot on imprisonment of it's people. or better yet, why not just kill all of them if they aren't going to change. i personally think changing the system to be more treatment oriented is better than building more prisons or making some sort of 3 strikes and your dead law.
I think both those sides have valid points. Yea you can't just "give up" because you feel they will all be repeat offenders. But, without actually looking to verify, I have heard that most felons (not petty crimes) are usually repeat offenders. But I do feel that if education helps stop 1 out of ever 100 it is worth it. That one person can do a lot of good. I have a friend that was a cocaine dealer back in the late 80's and early 90's. He would move 3 kilos at a time from Miami to Washington. He got an education, straightened his act up, and has been a model citizen for the past 15 years. In fact, I envy him when it comes to good deeds now. He went to the military, and got his degree and everything. Got another buddy with a similar story that got busted also, and you would NEVER even suspect he had ever been a trouble maker. Now I think he could fit in the Brady bunch. So Aliceinchains is right by saying we shouldn't just give up on them, but statistics do show, that MOST will fall back into their old ways. :/:
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