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Old 01-16-2008, 04:00 PM   #1
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250cc bike question- guru needed

This question is for those with lots of experience in the motorcycle industry.

Why don't the big 4 companies sell 250cc 4cly bikes or 125cc sport bikes in the states?? CBR250RR, ZX250, GSXR250??? what happened to these bikes? I'd love to ride one!

Hopefully someone can shine some light on this.
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Honda is making an effort though. This would be a sweet little urban motard.

http://powersports.honda.com/2008models/#CRF230L
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I have a feeling the other company's will throw a few more models our way if the new kawi 250 is successful, which I'm sure it will be.
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^ distinct possibility, but more importantly is that the mindset OVER HERE has to change, most peeps (mostly new riders) think that 600's are fine starter bikes.
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no doubt. i was actually thinking about getting another 250. they're fun little bikes when i'm not in the mood for breaking the law.
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^ distinct possibility, but more importantly is that the mindset OVER HERE has to change, most peeps (mostly new riders) think that 600's are fine starter bikes.
exactly. i was having a discussion with someone the other day about this. seems like most new riders dont appreciate the fact that bikes have applications other than hauling .

maybe it has something to do with the american highway system. japan has like 90% curvy roads (maybe more!!), where as the states have a lot less. i think as americans start riding 2 wheels more and more, we might see the smaller displacement bikes increasing in popularity. maybe not...
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Honda is making an effort though. This would be a sweet little urban motard.

http://powersports.honda.com/2008models/#CRF230L
might be fun, but its ugly. they need to make something appealing to young riders that is safer. like this:
http://www.yamaha-motor-europe.com/p...t/yzf-r125.jsp
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Well they have tiered lisencing in Europe and some other country's which makes it impossible for beginners to start out on the bigger cc bikes, which creates the market for smaller cc bikes.
The US should impliment this same system IMO as many riders have shown to be incapable of making rational decisions when it comes to choosing their first bike.
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might be fun, but its ugly. they need to make something appealing to young riders that is safer. like this:
http://www.yamaha-motor-europe.com/p...t/yzf-r125.jsp
now thats pretty cool lookin..
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now thats pretty cool lookin..
seriously!!!


i agree with the tiers too. sounds socialist, but ive seen people on busa's and gsxr1k's as first bikes... ahem... at a MH M&G...
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^ distinct possibility, but more importantly is that the mindset OVER HERE has to change, most peeps (mostly new riders) think that 600's are fine starter bikes.
seems like a lot of people think litre bikes are good starter bikes these days. . .:/:
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as said before, little demand.

dealerships often make as little as $150 after all is said and done on the ninja 250's. also, since it is cheap and people like to upgrade, its easy to buy one used with low miles for next to nothing.

as i learn more about bikes, i appreciate the smaller cc's more. i really REALLY like my gs500. everyone thinks its a bike for chicks to learn on. but they have never ridden one. they are actually pretty zippy. they still cut through traffic as well as any R model.

i think its just gonna take some time. the new 08 ninja 250 shows that its sales over the years finally justified some new r & d. this will lead to more sales, more r&d etc....

people just think SS bikes are "faster" but they dont even know how to define "Faster". the reality is, for the most part top speed, which is silly. even small cc bikes can do 110-140 depening on which model, etc. so i guess according to the newbs, if your bike cant do 150 mph, than its .




im a big fan of tiered liscencing now BTW...
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Just like what Racer X said and what others mentioned, its the mindset. America's, "bigger is better" mentality makes for very little demand and hurts new riders b/c a big bike with no experience is very unsafe.
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^ distinct possibility, but more importantly is that the mindset OVER HERE has to change, most peeps (mostly new riders) think that 600's are fine starter bikes.
Sadly. A 15 year old guy told me the other day, and I quote, "Yeah man, I want to get me one of them Yamaha R1 GIXXERS"

I was like..

Then I realized if people like that got on a liter bike they'd die on the first ride.
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that bike looks cool i wish i could have had that or the 08 ninja 250 for choices. i guess i just turned 15 too early
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that bike looks cool i wish i could have had that or the 08 ninja 250 for choices. i guess i just turned 15 too early
Either way, you did good by starting out on a 250.
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^ distinct possibility, but more importantly is that the mindset OVER HERE has to change, most peeps (mostly new riders) think that 600's are fine starter bikes.
cbr is my first bike and i have had no trouble with it
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Lets not start the whole "my first bike was a 1000 and I'm fine" thread.
There are plenty of people who are'nt around anymore that can't comment on the reasons why they should have started on a smaller bike.
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