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Old 01-13-2008, 12:09 PM   #21
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With such a variety of skill levels out there accidents are bound to happen. Not bashing on anyone or any org just an observation.

Personally, I think Buck's regular days shouldn't be open people with less than 10 or so TD's or at least running in the front of B group at LSTD.
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I disagree with that! I did 16 trackdays last year and at least 7 of those were with Buck on regular days! And I never had one problem! I got usd to faster guys buzzing me, but I held my line and rode my own ride! Buck and staff make allowances for the slower, newer riders, by having one of the staff lead them around the track! It is all about seat time! If noobs had to wait for NOOB only days then they would not get much seat time! That is just my 2 cents!
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Old 01-13-2008, 12:19 PM   #22
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I'd have to agree with separating riders based on skill...

Like if grandma went out for a Sunday drive on the autobahn (sp?)... someones gonna get hurt.
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I will say this

The Only thing that Eats Me is the $ issue. If Asked to get off the track I think we should have a choice, come back another day Or Get a Partial refund. im only saying this because i was asked to not go Back Out, I understood why, but when it come to issues with money being il'Spent I get nasty. Thats Why I Chose to Get a membership, I have never been one Like being told when or where to do something Specialy If im Paying for it. I Have been racing for Well over 16 Years and I Know the dangers of the Track . Bikes are different in the fact that you have more room to move out there but its all the same from there. for those of you who cant afford a membership LSTD is one of the best events you can do.

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With such a variety of skill levels out there accidents are bound to happen. Not bashing on anyone or any org just an observation.

Personally, I think Buck's regular days shouldn't be open people with less than 10 or so TD's or at least running in the front of B group at LSTD.
I agree with you B/C......that is why we tell you in advance what kind of day it is going to be. Noob is obvious enough, and our regular days are for folks with a few under the belt. "Pre CCS/Race Pace Day" should mean something to people when they read it. Some are not real honest in assessing thier own riding skills. As speedjunkie mentioned, we asked a couple to get off the track and come back on a more approproiate day for thier skill level. This is done for the enjoyment of that rider and the safety of the faster guys on the track. The recommended lap time for a race pace day is under 1:52., the regular days are under 2:00.000. We expect more crashes on a race prep day as the speeds are faster, riders are more closely matched which means closer quarters and guys puching it as they tune the bike for the track. Most of the crashes yesterday were the racers for sure.
Unfortunately with only one group we have to rely on the rider's judgement and honesty. You find the same thing in any organized practice/trackday though. There are always those who are either "above a C group" or in the race orgs, experts who should not(based on times) be experts. Our events are normally pretty crash free, with races happening in Houston this year we will have to be ready for this increase as the racers come to town to try and figure out how to be fast there. There are four events scheduled here this year and each event prior will be dedicated to the race pace. We will only offer three Noob days this year, and the remainder are our regular events.
We are further working on trying to set something up for racers only on race week Fridays. Stay tuned.........
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man,i wish i had the money or the track "across the street" to buy a membership to.i cant hardly understand why someone would be held from getting back on the track short of wrecking....this just me thinking out loud here,but is there a chance some of the other riders complained about your riding abilities.if this was the case maybe they should have tried to help not run you out of the track.
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ok,now it all makes sence."race pace says it all"
sorry Buck for the misunderstanding.

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The Only thing that Eats Me is the $ issue. If Asked to get off the track I think we should have a choice, come back another day Or Get a Partial refund. im only saying this because i was asked to not go Back Out, I understood why, but when it come to issues with money being il'Spent I get nasty. Thats Why I Chose to Get a membership, I have never been one Like being told when or where to do something Specialy If im Paying for it. I Have been racing for Well over 16 Years and I Know the dangers of the Track . Bikes are different in the fact that you have more room to move out there but its all the same from there. for those of you who cant afford a membership LSTD is one of the best events you can do.

just my 2 cents
I guess Alanzo didn"t relay the message completly..........we offed you a return on 3/8 for the other half of your day on us. So you do get your full day for the price you paid, plus some instruction to help you along.

To answer Eviltwin......when speed differential is dramatically different, closing speeds become a danger. When inexperienced riders are involved, holding a consistent line is also an issue. Both combined are a hazard on a race track, thus most orgs run at least three levels.
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and for the record so no one thinks I'm attacking anyone or any org. The TSBA day that Buck held at the end of last year's season was probably one of the best TD events I ever attended.
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and for the record so no one thinks I'm attacking anyone or any org. The TSBA day that Buck held at the end of last year's season was probably one of the best TD events I ever attended.
Yea that was my first and only TD so far that I attended and I enjoyed it to the fullest
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With such a variety of skill levels out there accidents are bound to happen. Not bashing on anyone or any org just an observation.

Personally, I think Buck's regular days shouldn't be open people with less than 10 or so TD's or at least running in the front of B group at LSTD.
i disagree completely. some people progress much faster than others, granted ive only done 3 track days and im not fast by any means but i feel confident in holding a line and have improved drastically since my first TD.
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The Only thing that Eats Me is the $ issue. If Asked to get off the track I think we should have a choice, come back another day Or Get a Partial refund. im only saying this because i was asked to not go Back Out, I understood why, but when it come to issues with money being il'Spent I get nasty. Thats Why I Chose to Get a membership, I have never been one Like being told when or where to do something Specialy If im Paying for it. I Have been racing for Well over 16 Years and I Know the dangers of the Track . Bikes are different in the fact that you have more room to move out there but its all the same from there. for those of you who cant afford a membership LSTD is one of the best events you can do.

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I guess Alanzo didn"t relay the message completly..........we offed you a return on 3/8 for the other half of your day on us. So you do get your full day for the price you paid, plus some instruction to help you along.
My sincerest apologise...I thought I was clear when I asked you to return on the 8th, that you would benefit more on a noob day as opposed to a fast/race pace date. When I spoke with your cousin he explained to me that you had 15+ years of racing experience in a automobile, I automatically assumed you would be able to maintain a line(my bad), after speaking with a few instructors and watching you in general I could tell you were not very comfortable.

I 'm sorry if you feel your money was ill spent, but I do remember stating that I would love to have you back on the 8th with credit...obviously I was not clear enough.
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Buck, I think that's really great of you guys to give some track time credit back for the 3/8 day
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Buck, I think that's really great of you guys to give some track time credit back for the 3/8 day
WERD. I like the way LMS does things. If only they didnt have to share the track with the cars so sessions could be divided by groups :/:
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I guess Alanzo didn"t relay the message completly..........we offed you a return on 3/8 for the other half of your day on us. So you do get your full day for the price you paid, plus some instruction to help you along.

To answer Eviltwin......when speed differential is dramatically different, closing speeds become a danger. When inexperienced riders are involved, holding a consistent line is also an issue. Both combined are a hazard on a race track, thus most orgs run at least three levels.


He did. I Was Cool with it. But ill be riding there more frequently since im becoming a member, Not just on Lstd.
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My sincerest apologise...I thought I was clear when I asked you to return on the 8th, that you would benefit more on a noob day as opposed to a fast/race pace date. When I spoke with your cousin he explained to me that you had 15+ years of racing experience in a automobile, I automatically assumed you would be able to maintain a line(my bad), after speaking with a few instructors and watching you in general I could tell you were not very comfortable.

I 'm sorry if you feel your money was ill spent, but I do remember stating that I would love to have you back on the 8th with credit...obviously I was not clear enough.

No Its cool, You were Very Clear. I meant For others not just For me that It should be at least a choice to come back or get a refund. Lets say someone does not feel they like the track and they loose a few bills. It does not affect me as much as it would lets say popo who lives on a fixed salary!! Etc....

Thats what my point was, As far as im concerned I loved it and I will come back 3/8/08 or earlier.
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I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I disagree with that! I did 16 trackdays last year and at least 7 of those were with Buck on regular days! And I never had one problem! I got usd to faster guys buzzing me, but I held my line and rode my own ride! Buck and staff make allowances for the slower, newer riders, by having one of the staff lead them around the track! It is all about seat time! If noobs had to wait for NOOB only days then they would not get much seat time! That is just my 2 cents!

And you do very well @ what you do. Plus you are getting faster and faster everytime I see you and Bubba
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I've been saying this since my first LMS private day.
The regular days are not the time to pop your track cherry.
Either wait for a noob day or do 3-4 track days with any of the other orgs in beginner/intermediate level.
Your putting yourself and others at risk.
That being said, LMS events are IMO the best bang for the buck and I've enjoyed every track day I've done with them.

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for those of you who cant afford a membership LSTD is one of the best events you can do.

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He did. I Was Cool with it. But ill be riding there more frequently since im becoming a member, Not just on Lstd.
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No Its cool, You were Very Clear. I meant For others not just For me that It should be at least a choice to come back or get a refund. Lets say someone does not feel they like the track and they loose a few bills. It does not affect me as much as it would lets say popo who lives on a fixed salary!! Etc....

Thats what my point was, As far as im concerned I loved it and I will come back 3/8/08 or earlier.

Just to clear some things.........You were at LMS not LSTD ,two totally different trackday orgs.

And fixed income or not...track riding is not for everyone..there are zero guarantees(sp) that anyone will like it but you don't know until you try.
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i disagree completely. some people progress much faster than others, granted ive only done 3 track days and im not fast by any means but i feel confident in holding a line and have improved drastically since my first TD.

I agree. The number of trackdays shouldn't make a big difference. It should be done on times as Buck said. Some people learn faster than others.
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