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i use reference points and it works for me 17 65.38%
too much thinking comes with reference points, and i'm still fast 9 34.62%
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Old 01-10-2008, 10:19 AM   #1
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reference points? or pure feelings?

i was talking to jason (riddler) last night and got to thinking.....who uses reference points....and who just gets out there and rides?

i for one, WAS using reference points......and was progressing very well. after the confidence and speed started coming up, i noticed myself not using reference points as much.....and noticed lap times slowing down.
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i dont use reference points...
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Old 01-10-2008, 10:23 AM   #3
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I tried but it seemed to slow me down for now I just feel it out.
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I'M not fast enough to need ref. points.
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i dont use reference points...
, as fast as you are and you don't use em.......good to know.

maybe something else is slowing me down. :dontknow:
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Old 01-10-2008, 10:26 AM   #6
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me too. Too much things going on already.
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Who ever I am passing is my reference point, I don't let off until they do....then count to 2...then BRAKE!!!!!!
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I have reference points for lines in blind turns, but other than that, it's repetition I think. You kinda just know where you're at after so many laps somewhere.
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, as fast as you are and you don't use em.......good to know.

maybe something else is slowing me down. :dontknow:
its all about seat time... just ride as much as you can ! unless your a -given natural, it generally takes alot of practice to get fast. ... ive been doin it since 1992 and i still think i could go faster
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My take, RPs are key when learning a track. As you are learning you then build a rhythm that most of us are running on. This is also a limitation but, I think most of us use them with out really thinking about them. Especially when you are trying to brake later and later. IMHO
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I use reference points....stay on the pavement...I don't use cones really (except on the back straight of MSRH in turn 7 running CCW)...just tire wear marks, etc in the pavement.
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yeah I know how you feel, I remember when we was all going ccw on the track at MSRH they had the cones out. Then I notice little by little the cones were eather moved or not there anymore, but by that time I started to feel like I knew the track alittle better. Now we are going the other way I feel totally lost again. :(
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does anybody on this messageboard ride any other track besides MSRH ? thats all i ever hear about ...
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does anybody on this messageboard ride any other track besides MSRH ? thats all i ever hear about ...
yeap, TWS (Texas World Speedway) and Cresson.
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does anybody on this messageboard ride any other track besides MSRH ? thats all i ever hear about ...
It's close. Most of the folks on this bbs don't venture out to other tracks like we do and keep it local. A lot of them are new too. They'll get out and see what the other tracks offer eventually, give 'em time.
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yeap, TWS (Texas World Speedway) and Cresson.
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does anybody on this messageboard ride any other track besides MSRH ? thats all i ever hear about ...
i wish i could, but i can never make it to any other track plus they are always on a monday. Build a track closer to Houston and they will come. :lol:
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i wish i could, but i can never make it to any other track plus they are always on a monday. Build a track closer to Houston and they will come. :lol:
They did, and done. Check the LSTD web site for weekend and Friday events throughout the year. Not to mention GSS is open for biz.
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I took the two day California Superbike School (www.superbikeschool.com) back in November. Both in his books and in the school, Keith Code stresses reference points and I found I got faster as I got more of them. I imagine that the fast guys who think they don't use reference points use them subconsiously.
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I used to use reference points for braking and tried to wait a little longer before braking as lap times came down. But, I've decided that, since I will never race, lap times don't matter.
I use the apex as a reference for turning and brake when I get scared. That's riding at my limit, when I scare myself I slow down just a hair and keep the excitement at that level. Goodenuf!
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