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Old 01-10-2008, 05:04 PM   #41
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They can use excerpts (one paragraph) without copyright infringements as long as they show the source.
No, they can't. Here's the message from RRW, see if it says you can do that:

Copyright 2007 Roadracing World Publishing, Inc. (This original, copyrighted material may not be copied, cut and pasted, published or otherwise reproduced in any way in any medium, which means, donít post this on another website or BBS. If you want somebody else to see this, send them a link or post a link to this page.)


JU has pursued and won with such cases. I'd hate to lose the web site for something like this. But by all means, carry on.
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No, they can't. Here's the message from RRW, see if it says you can do that:

Copyright 2007 Roadracing World Publishing, Inc. (This original, copyrighted material may not be copied, cut and pasted, published or otherwise reproduced in any way in any medium, which means, donít post this on another website or BBS. If you want somebody else to see this, send them a link or post a link to this page.)


JU has pursued and won with such cases. I'd hate to lose the web site for something like this. But by all means, carry on.
should I add my special touch to this thread?
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Old 01-10-2008, 05:09 PM   #43
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No, they can't. Here's the message from RRW, see if it says you can do that: ...
Doesn't matter what they say, the law allows it under certain circumstances. See: http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
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Old 01-10-2008, 05:11 PM   #44
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Doesn't matter what they say, the law allows it under certain circumstances. See: http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
I'm pretty sure that's what I did on the twoo RRW articles I cited. (Since the post is gone I can't be sure) but I don't think I pulled more than a couple of sentences from either one.
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Old 01-10-2008, 05:33 PM   #45
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Doesn't matter what they say, the law allows it under certain circumstances. See: http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
From your link:

The distinction between “fair use” and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission.
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The safest course is always to get permission from the copyright owner before using copyrighted material. The Copyright Office cannot give this permission.

When it is impracticable to obtain permission, use of copyrighted material should be avoided unless the doctrine of “fair use” would clearly apply to the situation. The Copyright Office can neither determine if a certain use may be considered “fair” nor advise on possible copyright violations. If there is any doubt, it is advisable to consult an attorney.


Did yall do all that when you posted JU's copyrighted material?

And I didn't see any copyright symbol or anything on that one, so hopefully I'm not violating their copyright if one exists!

As I said earlier, yall carry on, don't let me stop you. You won't catch me (intentionally) posting copyrighted materials, and definitely not from JU.

BC, you're on!
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it's cool man. i didn't know anything about rrw's propensity for clamping down on copyright infringement - but i'm always careful to only quote a short passage from anything i sample, and i always cite sources. there are hundreds or thousands of far worse examples on this site tho.
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it's cool man. i didn't know anything about rrw's propensity for clamping down on copyright infringement - but i'm always careful to only quote a short passage from anything i sample, and i always cite sources. there are hundreds or thousands of far worse examples on this site tho.
I only bring it up because JU is a vindictive dude when it comes to this. He doesn't eff around.

I agree with you on the "other" violations of similar things (though most don't copyright their material). The deal is also that those sites get advertising money, and in order to get it or to continue, they have to generate so much traffic. If the traffic is hindered because people post the whole article (or enough that others won't go to the site themselves), then they could lose money or not be able to get more support. It kinda takes the money out of their pockets so to speak.

It's all good in my neighborhood, I don't personally care at all- but I do know about RRW and their copyrights, and it's not something they over-look. Even a "little" site like our local MH.
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Old 01-11-2008, 10:47 AM   #48
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Can you die/get seriously injured at a track day? yeah. Jennings had an incident a couple of years ago where a rider went off track hit a tree and they didn't even know about it for a few sessions when his buddies started asking questions about his whereabouts. STT had a death at Road Atlanta a couple years ago also. I had a friend that came close to dying at Summit when a rider crashed, the bike was on the "race line" in a blind spot that cornerworkers couldn't see, and my friend T-Boned the downed bike going about 130. He wore a colostomy bag for about 6 months and has plenty o hardware in his hip, femur, knee, and collarbone. Even though it's not racing, it's still not knitting.

All that being said, I feel a zillion times safer on the track than I do on the street.

RRW & Ulrich...wouldn't question his tenacity for going after anyone that posts stuff without his permission.

Anywho, speaking of RRW and trackday safety, there was a story in the Oct/Nov 06 RRW about questions to ask a trackday provider. These included EMS Support and their accreditation, cornerworkers, and rider experience level, to name just a few. If you're a track newb, that would be an excellent reprint to obtain, IMO.
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RRW & Ulrich...wouldn't question his tenacity for going after anyone that posts stuff without his permission.
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Anywho, speaking of RRW and trackday safety, there was a story in the Oct/Nov 06 RRW about questions to ask a trackday provider. These included EMS Support and their accreditation, cornerworkers, and rider experience level, to name just a few. If you're a track newb, that would be an excellent reprint to obtain, IMO.
I read that too, and a big +1 to that.

We're pretty lucky in our area IMHO.
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I do trackdays often, i have also wrecked twice on the street and once at the track. My first accident was in leakey near san antonio, And I was going well over 100mph yes it was stupid on my part but it did cost me an airlife ride to the hospital, A broken shoulder, broken tailbone, and broken ankle. rods and pins were inserted during surgery. when i crashed at TWS (Texas World Speedway) i lowsided in turn 11 trying to break the 2 minute mark. all i sustained was bruising all over my body. in my opinion it is still a much more controled enviroment then on the street. All the trackday orgs run a great school and preach safety, and there is always medical staff at an arms reach if need be. i myself gave up street riding all together just because of people not paying attention to riders on the street.
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