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Old 01-09-2008, 05:00 PM   #1
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track day injuries/deaths?

Ok guys...track noob here. never been to one but I am seriously itchin to get out there...my g/f and I were talking about a few nights ago and I am curious about something...lately I have been to a few funnerals and seen and heard of several people wrecking while riding the street. I know the track is still extremely dangerous but being that cages are not present along with all the other roadside hazards that come along with the street...

my question is has anyone that you guys know of ever died while at a track day? I understand that wrecking may be a part of it b/c there of being able to push the limit but has there ever been anything serious enough to cause death? Thanks for your input. Much appreciated.
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Old 01-09-2008, 05:03 PM   #2
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Ok guys...track noob here. never been to one but I am seriously itchin to get out there...my g/f and I were talking about a few nights ago and I am curious about something...lately I have been to a few funnerals and seen and heard of several people wrecking while riding the street. I know the track is still extremely dangerous but being that cages are not present along with all the other roadside hazards that come along with the street...

my question is has anyone that you guys know of ever died while at a track day? I understand that wrecking may be a part of it b/c there of being able to push the limit but has there ever been anything serious enough to cause death? Thanks for your input. Much appreciated.
i dont know of anybody that has died at a trackday, but that doesnt mean it cant or hasn't happened. ur better of on the track than you are on the street. racin around on the street is foolish. if u really wanna see what ur made of. bring it to the track !
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i dont know of anybody that has died at a trackday, but that doesnt mean it cant or hasn't happened. ur better of on the track than you are on the street. racin around on the street is foolish. if u really wanna see what ur made of. bring it to the track !
i think that is what Rick was waiting for

it seems he just wants numbers or an instance where someone has died at the track, not the "it's safer spiel... "

i have heard of car drivers dying at the track but not bikes. Dale Earnhart ring a bell?
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yeah remember talking to this track racer at stubb harley davidson one day and he was telling me that in all of the wrecks on motoracing there hasnt been a single fatality yet, but that was around 8 months ago i dont know if anythings changed
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i think that is what Rick was waiting for

it seems he just wants numbers or an instance where someone has died at the track, not the "it's safer spiel... "

i have heard of car drivers dying at the track but not bikes. Dale Earnhart ring a bell?
he said trackdays... racing is a whole other story. ive known guys that have been killed and severely injured racing. a buddy of mine was in a coma for 6 months after a bad crash at oakhill. bad can happen out there on the track. you have to be willing to take that risk. if not, dont bother going. you will just get in the way of the guys that really wanna go fast
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yeah, just looking to see if there have been any fatalities...I mean obvisously the track is a more controlled environment.

With that...she has given me permission to find a track bike...or turn the F4 into one...thoughts on that anyone? The F4 has about 31K on it...I love the way it handles and even though it is not FI the throttle resposne is quit predictable and controlable....

the only draw back on the F4 is that the cam has a bit of wear from the prior owner tightning the cam cover a bit to tight...I really can't tell a difference but under extreme condition it may make a difference... thoughts?
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yeah, just looking to see if there have been any fatalities...I mean obvisously the track is a more controlled environment.

With that...she has given me permission to find a track bike...or turn the F4 into one...thoughts on that anyone? The F4 has about 31K on it...I love the way it handles and even though it is not FI the throttle resposne is quit predictable and controlable....

the only draw back on the F4 is that the cam has a bit of wear from the prior owner tightning the cam cover a bit to tight...I really can't tell a difference but under extreme condition it may make a difference... thoughts?
the F4 is a pretty decent bike to get you started, but when you start to get faster and a little more serious. id trade it in for an 04-08 CBR600RR. they are lighter and handling on the new bikes blow away the old stuff. the 07-08 bikes have an even better motor. the only bike i think that has better handling is the 06-08 R6. but the 06-07 motor on those are gutless turds. you gotta wring the out of them to get any power. the new 08 R6 is supposed to have improved on that, but i havent had the chance to ride one yet.
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Get out on the track and see what you think.
You can use your bike like they were build to be run.
And not have to worry about the fools on cell phones, drinking coffee, slapping their kids etc...

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In the long run it will be cheaper to buy a bike already built. 31K is a lot of miles on a bike to take it out on the track and thrash it. Things tend to start breaking. I'd look into a 04 or newer bike that already has some goodies on it, and stick some good rubber under it and go play.

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If you are into speed and twisties, trackday is for you. You will risk injuries when you push yourself to your limits. Take your F4 to the track to see if this is for you. You could learn about your skills/limits. It is a lot safer pushing yourself on the track vs. the street.
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Hmmmm?????

I know there was a young teenager killed at Barber Park a couple months ago (07) during a Track Day accident.

Also what kind of motorcyclist mentions Dale Earnheart and not Wayne Rainey??

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Here's an opinion from someone that has NEVER been on the track. If you're going to push, do it on a track.....PERIOD! The number one cause of motorcycle fatalities is when the body comes to an abrupt halt. Examples: slamming into the pavement, a curb, tree, cage, fire hydrant. The list goes on and on. But if you just go down a sliding you aint a dying.

The track and street are both going to have the pavement. But by riding the track you eliminate all the other variables in the equation. That cage that just decided to turn in front of you, that mattress laying in the middle of the road as you come around a curve.

The question you should be asking is NOT do you know of anyone that has died on track day. No no no, don't ask that at all. Instead you should be asking is What are the odds of me dying on track day vs the street?

You'll be happy with the odds of the track
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Larry M. said he flatlined for a few seconds after his crash at Oak Hill, in a race.

I crashed in a race and broke my arm and wrist.

As far as track days go and what it's like compared to the street well, there is no comparison really. If you like to ride aggressively I don't see any logical option besides the track.

Lets see, street riding:

cruise, cruise, cruise, oh, a cop, am I speeding? OH EXIT! TURNNNNN...annnnddd stop. cruise cruise.. yes there are some back roads that you can have fun on but I just can't relax and focus. I'm always worried about cops, debris in the road, oncoming vehicle outside it's lane, slow vehicle around the corner, all sorts of stuff.

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GO GO GO BRAKE BRAKE, TUUURRRRRRRNNNNN GO GO BRAKE TURN GO TURN GO BRAKE.... on and on for 20-30 minutes. no cops, no cars, clean pavement, everyone going the same direction.. etc etc

I commute to work on my motorcycle every now and then for a change of pace. I'm never fully relaxed, always worried about cars being stupid.

The track FTW!
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Hmmmm?????

I know there was a young teenager killed at Barber Park a couple months ago (07) during a Track Day accident.

Also what kind of motorcyclist mentions Dale Earnheart and not Wayne Rainey??

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or joey dunlop
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Thanks guys. very useful info.
ok. use the bike you got first to see if you like. then if you do look into getting a track bike or my opinion just use the F4. and get yourself a new bike for street use. Something comfortable lol. But you will seriously love the track.. brandon and myself both have signed up for the Noob day on 3/8. you should sign up too and we will all go down together I can help you set up your bike for the track and just to get you out there. There are a lot of great instructors out there to help you out and learn quite a bit. But the big thing is to have fun and learn
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I'd definitely just use your current bike for the first few times (I am). If I like it I may invest in race plastics or yet another R6 -- perhaps an 08.

I recall one accident at the track that was fairly recent (few months ago). MH member "Faylaricia" had someone try to pass her on the inside but came in to hot and ran into her. Knocked her unconcious and had some serious injuries as well. I can't find the thread but it made me purchase a pair of SIDI boots before riding again.

Did you signup for the 03/08 noob day? I thought I read somewhere that passing isn't allowed at the noob trackday. I'm not quite sure what to expect and I don't want people riding my the entire time. I'm really looking forward to it, I am using it to gain more experience without having to worry about a car coming the opposite direction on the inside turn and running wide.

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And you can still get busted up at a track day...........without pushing too hard. Just remember too aim for the grass.....it's a softer landing.
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