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Old 10-15-2008, 07:28 AM   #261
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Well she made her maiden voyage today. After 10 months down.....

Relatively uneventful but a few things did come to light. First, today I got my HID light kit, PMR 3 switch panel and Datel voltmeter. I installed all that stuff, fired it up and checked the voltage, with it cold and no light on, it was idling at 13.8v and at 4k was 14.40v. The datel voltmeter was dead nuts on with my Fluke meter with no notable difference. SO I switch on the HID, at idle its now at 13.0v but after about 5 mins, the voltage creeped back up to 13.5v at idle(ballast had to heat up) and 14.40v at 4k. So I am thinking SWEET..... Finally got some decent charging. So I finish up some nic nacs and headed out for a ride. First off, I notice my part throttle tuning is complete , basically unrideable. I pull over, disconnect the PCII, and its better but still horribly rich EVERYWHERE.....I don't think the AFR got out of the 10s anywhere except for WOT. All in all, the bike is handling ok, taking a little while to get used to the VERY reduced turning radius with the intercooler but its coming around. So I am running down the road, the voltage is hanging in there at 14.4v going down the road and I am thinking this is awesome. After a few mins, it warms up fully and gets to full operating temp, I notice the voltage has dropped to mid 13s going down the road but no biggie. THEN I start to hear it......the mysterious ticking noise is back. I can hear it clearly riding down the road at anywhere 3500rpms or less.....Sounds exactly like it did before I took it to the shop for 4 months. At this point I am but I say **** it, I am riding this , get in some traffic and it starts heating up quick, fan comes on and the voltage drops to 12.5-12.6v, no biggie. Now it starts getting dark so I hit the HID light, voltage is now idling at 12.6v with the headlight on and no fan, I get going down the road and the voltage is back up to 13.0-13.1v....not good, but liveable I guess as long as the fan doesn't come on. Wouldn't you know it though, I hit some lights and slow moving cars so the fan is on, the headlight is on and voltage is at 12.0v. Even at speed the voltage is only 12.2-12.3v with the fan on, and 12.5-12.6v with the fan off. It seems that the hotter it gets, the less charging I get. I guess the heat adds resistance to the electrical system.

Fun part, I get to my test road, start to run it through the gears, not even WOT, maybe like 50-60% throttle and HOLY this thing is moving. I am watching the AFR gauge and see my low boost AFR is a tad lean. SO I get in 3rd gear and hit it, I am trying to watch the AFR gauge and I see its around 12.2-1AFR so I stay in it, at this point the front end is just skipping and my is sliding back to the hump. I back out of it and make a few other runs in different gears to check the boost in each gear. I am pretty impressed with the power and quick spooling. I did notice the part throttle boost is a tad lame due to the 5lb spring but once it starts to spool about 5k, it gets the **** moving.

So I ride it home, voltage is averaging 12.4v at this point at both idle and running around 3-4k rpms with the headlight on. Doesn't seem to come up much with rpms. I get home, park it for a few minutes, go out and check voltage and with no headlight, its around 12.8v and at 4k its at 13.5v...... WTF is going on with this thing.....???


SOOOOOO the motor is still ticking, the charging system still sucks and the tune is way off......pretty much right back where I was 4 months ago. I was real happy with all my mods though....those being the HID light, voltmeter and new switch panel. Combined with a complete rewiring of the bike, everything worked flawlessly and looks really good, and that HID throws out some serious freakin white light. At this point, I am gonna get it to Johnny Cheese to get the part throttle tuning right, I will retune the low boost settings, probably add a second battery somewhere and just ride it as is.....ticking and all.....If the motor fu*ks up, I will send it to Coopers Performance or someone to have it gone through professionally.
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:22 PM   #262
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UPDATE.....I blew it up again...LOL

I thought I would resurrect this old NIGHTMARE I lived through for the noobs....(due to some PMs I have been getting)

After everything happened in this thread, I eventually got it running well, got it charging ok, tuned it, made big numbers, rode it on the street for 5-6 months with no problems what so ever....then went Landspeed racing with it at the Texas Mile....I ran 225.906 mph then I popped it shooting for 230mph. I just went through everything again on it, replaced the head, gaskets etc and put it back in the bike....Hopefully I'll get it running this weekend...

Always something with these things but.....I guess thats just part of riding something like this....

Hopefully some of the new members here will find this thread somewhat interesting.....
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so I guess it was just a head gasket then?
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:33 PM   #264
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so I guess it was just a head gasket then?
Honestly, I don't know....the head gasket wasn't blown out anywhere... I did find a crack in the head between the intake and exhaust valve on one of the chambers but....it still held 120psi compression on that one so....

We did find a couple minor low spots on the top of the block inbetween the cylinders....We had to take a couple thou off the deck of the block to get em out. The theory is that under holding it under a sustained 18lbs of boost, it may have lifted the head JUST a tad, that combined with the low spots on the cylinder let the boost/compression blow across the block/gasket, pressurizing the coolant system, thus pushing all the coolant out.

Not really any damage anywhere other then the crack in the head, it might have been like that for a while, that same head was the original one from the first melt down I had repaired. Now I have a different head on it all together.

Hopefully I can get it to the MnG at Hooters Monday night...
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Old 04-22-2009, 03:41 PM   #265
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Honestly, I don't know....the head gasket wasn't blown out anywhere... I did find a crack in the head between the intake and exhaust valve on one of the chambers but....it still held 120psi compression on that one so....

We did find a couple minor low spots on the top of the block inbetween the cylinders....We had to take a couple thou off the deck of the block to get em out. The theory is that under holding it under a sustained 18lbs of boost, it may have lifted the head JUST a tad, that combined with the low spots on the cylinder let the boost/compression blow across the block/gasket, pressurizing the coolant system, thus pushing all the coolant out.

Not really any damage anywhere other then the crack in the head, it might have been like that for a while, that same head was the original one from the first melt down I had repaired. Now I have a different head on it all together.

Hopefully I can get it to the MnG at Hooters Monday night...

hopefully it works like new.
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How much for a turbo instal? j/K. Good luck with the bike
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Honestly, I don't know....the head gasket wasn't blown out anywhere... I did find a crack in the head between the intake and exhaust valve on one of the chambers but....it still held 120psi compression on that one so....

We did find a couple minor low spots on the top of the block inbetween the cylinders....We had to take a couple thou off the deck of the block to get em out. The theory is that under holding it under a sustained 18lbs of boost, it may have lifted the head JUST a tad, that combined with the low spots on the cylinder let the boost/compression blow across the block/gasket, pressurizing the coolant system, thus pushing all the coolant out.

Not really any damage anywhere other then the crack in the head, it might have been like that for a while, that same head was the original one from the first melt down I had repaired. Now I have a different head on it all together.

Hopefully I can get it to the MnG at Hooters Monday night...
Between you, TRNorBRN, Karl and Osti you guys really did a number on your motors. A bit ironic that MadMike made it out unscathed.
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Between you, TRNorBRN, Karl and Osti you guys really did a number on your motors. A bit ironic that MadMike made it out unscathed.

Yeah thats VERY ironic since he was spraying a 60 shot dry, no nitrous map on a 5 yr old, ragged out 1270cc, he broke 200mph and was able to ride it on the trailer.... And carnage for the rest of us....actually Gary ended up getting his fixed and breaking 200mph also. Me, Karl, Chris and a couple others all broke.
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WOW, pretty insane build. . .builds I guess I would have to say. Sad to hear she broke AGAIN! Keep at it, the motor gods shall favor you again
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Offerings to the gods of debt is more like it....
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sooooo does it still run?
His motor is fine. Tranny not so much. He pulled my motor out last night. He has no time to fix his. . I wish I could say Im looking forward to my build thread.
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Yes, mine is still running well. I repaired the damage back in April 09 and used a different head and my mysterious ticking noise was GONE.... I had pulled the motor 3 times myself and 3rd Coast Speed had it out for 6 months trying to find the noise and we never could. Then I swap another head on it and it was fine.

Since all this happened back in April of 09, I have put 5000 miles on it, had it over 200mph more times then I can count with my street gearing and pump gas. I've made about 20 passes at the strip, all were over 165mph and the best was 168mph, that was still with horrible front half numbers and only 14lbs of boost. The bike has been a blast on the street, handles well in the twisties and I have even taken it on a 600 mile road trip in a weekend.

Unfortunately, my last trip to the strip frag'd a shift fork so wide open 1-2 shifts are not happening now. The bike still rides and shifts fine on the street, but no WOT shifts to 2nd.

For now I am just going to ride it as is. When I get the money, I will build a new tranny with a billet output shaft, overdrive 5th/6th, solid shift shafts and new forks. Ofcourse re-cut all of the gears. Gonna cost me $2k to do it so it's not happening anytime soon. I'll just keep roosting it on the street...I can't get it wide open til 3rd anyway...
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