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Old 04-27-2008, 11:44 AM   #201
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Great advice Patrick. Your experience is always welcomed.
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Old 04-28-2008, 08:24 AM   #202
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That's what I was asking.
However it can be more than just squish; loose rod bearing clearances, out of spec rod, poor piston tolerances, cam / motor timing off, etc.

I once chased my tail for days trying to fix a GSXR race bike someone else had built.
in the end, I found that they had indexed the crank gear for the cam chain one tooth off on the crank itself.
Stuff can happen late at night when you're tired.

THANKS Patrick for the interest.....here is some answers to some of your questions....:

1) Exhaust valve clearances averaged at .008(a tad tighter then I like but I didn't have any thinner shims then 230s)

2) Cam sprocket bolts are the correct ones for ape sprockets, they are lock tited in and torqued to spec. Same bolts/sprockets I've always used in this head.

3) Rod clearances were .002, mains .003.... (This noise is definetly top end tick)

4) Cams degreed in at 105/105. Triple checked them.

5) Piston to valve clearance is huge. We actually couldn't get the valves to hit at all. We could only open the valve manually to about .080 so its got at least that much. The pistons are about .013-.015 in the hole, plus a .030 head gasket giving me a .045 quench(squish) which is a little loose.

6) I also thought about the cam sensor, but its on the intake cam and the noise is more prevalent on the exhaust side.

7) PAIR block offs are definetly a possiblity BUT...I have had them on for 8 yrs and never removed them, they have never leaked but the sound is definetly around that area or higher.

REMEMBER, its completely quiet when cold, it starts making noise when it gets close to operating temp.

Here is a quick video, the way I describe the sound is similar to fuel injector tick but louder. Sounds like a mechanical roller cam in a car...

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i can faintly hear the tick in the video. I am sure it is more prevalent in person. only thing I could say is injector. My rc made a similar noise from them. i hope you get it sorted out soon... I wanna go to mexico see it go.
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It's difficult to tell from the vid.
I'd check the PAIR block offs and then the Cam Sensor as the most likely culprits, then move on from there if you eliminate them as the source.
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It's difficult to tell from the vid.
I'd check the PAIR block offs and then the Cam Sensor as the most likely culprits, then move on from there if you eliminate them as the source.
Feel free to give me a shout.
OK, last nights testing....

1)Pulled the plugs and did a compression test(just because I was curious) 132/132/134/137, plugs looked good.
2)Pulled the PAIR block off plate on #1, it was sealed up well, still had copper silicone down in the hole so definetly not leaking. Put a new gasket on it and re-copper siliconed it.

3)Turned the motor over repeatedly with the starter while the valve cover was off and my head buried down in there looking/listening....NOTHING....quiet and smooth, PLENTY of oil getting up there on everything.

4) Checked the CCT, its ratcheted tight, about 2-3 clicks out(has .100 spacer behind the CCT) chain is pretty snug.

5)Checked for any kind of contact anywhere(fan to header etc), nothing.

6)Checked the torque on the cam caps, torque wrench clicked right around 10 ft lbs.

All springs seem to be seated well on the seats(at least the ones I can see, all the exhaust etc)

I can't find a thing wrong with this thing anywhere.



I am gonna re-lash the valves, do a leak down on it(which I think will be fine) and restart it.

I am waiting on the high output stator and rect/reg to come in, along with the shim kit and temp switch. Probably be two weeks before I can fire it up again.


BadZX14r, I actually tuned it myself using my datalogger. I don't think the meltdown was due to the tune, it was just too much boost for pump gas, for too long.
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mine was a little differant on the melt down ..mine started on the valve casting on the piston and cut a 1/4 inch groove thru piston on #4 ..2 and 3 showed signs also barely at edges of castings ...on my wrist pin sides of pistons all 4 my rings were seized like yours ..this all happen on stock pistons , pump gas, -6 degrees timing , and only 4lbs of boost ...
This turbo on the 14? DAYUUUMMM 4lbs of boost is nothing...the fuel system must have F'd up or something....
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WELL MAYBE....JUST MAYBE.....there is some light at the end of this miserable tunnel......

Just got the call from 3RD Coast Speed.......They said they got the engine back in and fired it up and there is no abnormal noises.....He said they ran it up to operating temp and it wasn't ticking so it looks like the cam chain was the problem(eventhough it was brand new)..... Next week they are going to start working on the charging system problem, after(IF) they figure that out, they will start tuning it. Will take a couple days on the dyno to get it tuned in but...... at least we are making some progress. I can't say that I believe it until I actually hear it myself but I hope they are right and the mystery ticking is gone..

Might actually have this ole back on the street terrorizing women and children again before the end of the summer......Been a long 7 months....longest, most expensive 7 months of my life..


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Well, is it back or what?
NOPE.....Had nothing but problems.... We did make some pulls and do some tuning but the dyno is junk, the software, the room, the fans(or lack there of), everything was junk. The bike is way down on power and not sure why. We kept pulling fuel out of the map just to get it to make some clean pulls but I knew something was wrong if we were pulling fuel out. The charging system is still not right also so I left the bike there for them to keep messing with it. If they fix the charging system, I will end up taking it to Johnny Cheese to tune it, these guys are not doing well with the tuning.


SOOO the saga continues..... Only made 240hp friday with about 14lbs of boost which is about 60-70hp low so....... You got me...
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The saga continues. You must have pulled all your hair out by now, or you have learned to be patient or something.
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The saga continues. You must have pulled all your hair out by now, or you have learned to be patient or something.
MAN you have no idea..... I just keep dumping money in it hoping that once its right, I will be happy with it and it will be worth the expense but...... I have about $12k in this project(motor/turbo/tuning/diagnosing etc) and its still not even close to being right.

The thought has seriously crossed my mind of pulling the motor/turbo etc., selling the turbo stuff off, pulling the turbo pistons/head off and selling them, then just build me a nice 13-1 1397 motor with a good head and cams, and just be happy with a pitiful 200rwhp. At least it would run right, be reliable and never blow up. Definetly thinking about it but I would take such a loss it wouldn't be funny so...

I will keep at it and see what we can do. Almost 8 months since it has ran right.
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"What do I do?" probably comes to mind a lot to be sure. Hope you finally get it all ironed out though.
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