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Old 12-26-2007, 08:46 AM   #1
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Okay I have a 06 GSXR 600 and I put a slip on pipe a month ago, well for christmas I got a K&N air filter do I need to do anything for the airgas ratio or will it be okay to just go ahead and put the K&N on and nothing else
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Old 12-26-2007, 08:48 AM   #2
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Go ahead and put the K&N on. At some point you may want to get a PC and get a good map on it.

I suggest going to see Patrick over at Motorcycles Unlimited, he'll set you up with a great deal on a PCIII and install a map.
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Okay I have a 06 GSXR 600 and I put a slip on pipe a month ago, well for christmas I got a K&N air filter do I need to do anything for the airgas ratio or will it be okay to just go ahead and put the K&N on and nothing else
No slipons dont need to be tuned your power gain will be very minimal... they are mostly for looks and sound IMHO. now if you put on a full system yeah PCIII and dyno tune it. Enjoy the sound and look of your can
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okay so one and one anyone else. and No fear i am not worried about the exchaust I have been running it I want to know it I should do anything else to it when I instal the K&N
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i adjusted my fuel when i put in an air filter and slip on.
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okay so one and one anyone else. and No fear i am not worried about the exchaust I have been running it I want to know it I should do anything else to it when I instal the K&N

Putting the K&N Filter stickers on your bike will add 3 to 5 hp

Here is the deal with the K&N filter regarding gas mileage and Power gains

The motor will have to work less when on the intake stroke. Less work = better performance *OR* better gas mileage.

It's an "OR" because if you take advantage of the better performance by running the bike harder, you'll not net any better mileage (or you'll lose mileage).
The gain is marginal. You'll be lucky to see a 5% mileage gain I'd say. But 5% is better than nothing

Also you can reuse the filter so by the 3rd cleaning you will have saved yourself the equavelant of 1 filter so congrads and good luck
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Adding a slipon can with less restriction to exhaust flow will allow more air to flow through the motor all the time. This causes the motor to run more lean causing it to burn hotter. Just the can is probably not enough to need tuning. Adding a less restrictive air filter will make it run even more lean which can cause it to run even more lean and even hotter. You may be approaching a point where you should consider some tuning like from a PCIII.

If I were you I'd call Patrick and talk to someone who knows what they are talking about!
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Adding a slipon can with less restriction to exhaust flow will allow more air to flow through the motor all the time. This causes the motor to run more lean causing it to burn hotter. Just the can is probably not enough to need tuning. Adding a less restrictive air filter will make it run even more lean which can cause it to run even more lean and even hotter. You may be approaching a point where you should consider some tuning like from a PCIII.

If I were you I'd call Patrick and talk to someone who knows what they are talking about!

lets see most bike run rich ... and the engine control unit (ECU) will add more fuel as needed so I would say to all of the above
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Like I said why don't you call somebody who knows.
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Like I said why don't you call somebody who knows.

Well that would be to easy geez!

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Some fuel injected bikes will run rich in the low end / mid range when a mod is made to the intake or exhaust.
Especially ones with older / less sophisticated ECUs.
The pre- '08 Busas are a good example.

What happens is the sensors in the system detect more air than the parameters they are designed to work within, so they "dump" more fuel.

While some of the mapping we do when installing a PCIII involves taking fuel away in the mid range, we also add fuel in other places, so there's no real "hard and fast" standard to go by.

Not all bikes benefit from a PCIII, however, most will at least experience smoother / better throttle response and less of an on / off "glitch" during throttle transition.

Many bikes will also post moderate HP gains.


To answer the original question, do you need one? No.

Can you benefit from one? In my experience with your bike, yes, you can.
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Old 12-26-2007, 12:55 PM   #14
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IMO running an aftermarket air filter on the street(esp K&N) is a bad idea... more air equals more dirt and the filter oil isnt good for anything but the filter itself and some vital intake sensors may not appreciate it after some time,just my .02
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Old 12-27-2007, 03:07 PM   #15
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i'm not a big fan of the K&N in a lot of bikes. Most of my issues with it are the flimsy rubber frame work, I prefer the BMC Street filter for most bikes. It uses a frame like the OEM ones but with a high flow filter media, it's oiled as well.

The oil media does a good job of trapping dirt, and the only sensors that are down stream from it won't be affected by it at all.
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