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Old 12-13-2007, 08:05 AM   #1
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2008 CCS South Schedule

February 2nd-3rd MSR-Houston
1 Performance Drive
Angleton, TX 77515


March 1st-2nd Daytona International Speedway
1801 W. International Speedway Blvd.
Daytona Beach, FL 32114

March 21st-22nd Eagles Canyon Raceway March 23rd Bicycling/TC
7629 North FM-51
Decatur, TX 76234

April 19th-20th MSR-Houston
1 Performance Drive
Angleton, TX 77515

May/June 31st/1st Hallett Motor Racing Circuit
59901 E. 55 Road
Jennings, OK 74038

July 12th -13th Texas World Speedway
17529 Hwy 6 South
College Station, Texas 77845

August 9th-10th Barber Motorsports Park
6040 Barber Motorsports Parkway
Leeds, Alabama 35094

September 27th-28th MSR-Houston
1 Performance Drive
Angleton, TX 77515

October 18th-19th Daytona International Speedway
1801 W. International Speedway Blvd.
Daytona Beach, FL 32114

November 15th 16th MSR Cresson
9012 Performance Court
Cresson, TX 76035
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:17 AM   #2
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Old 12-13-2007, 08:22 AM   #3
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Old 12-13-2007, 09:10 AM   #4
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You can look at national CCS website.
the whole national schedule is up...including the CCS-south region.
Travis has not updated his website yet.

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Old 12-13-2007, 10:50 AM   #6
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This lineup looks MUCH better then CMRA, maybe I should switch, or run both
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:03 PM   #7
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lots of time and money to run both series competitively....unless you're not going for any championships.....run em both if you got the time/funds to do so.
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Old 12-13-2007, 02:07 PM   #8
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Im not sure where im racing next season, ill see when i get back. As of now im leaning to CCS as long as i hear good things about them. I like the CMRA but dont want to miss that many races since I will not ride OHR again.
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Old 12-13-2007, 04:43 PM   #9
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A lot of CMRA guys are complaining about safety with the CCS races, especially at ECR because there is this huge highway-divider style guardrail through a chicane that could easily kill a moto rider (I wouldnt even want to go off there in a car). Not sure how much factual basis there is to the rest of the griping, but I've seen ECR and it does NOT look safe in current configuration.

And Tony, I think I'm going to concentrate on CRMA championship since I will be able to make it to all of their races, and just hit a couple choice CCS races if they work out the safety issues. I would love to hit Daytona and Barber, but Daytona twice and Barber once in a season is too much $$ and time off work...

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One nice thing about CCS is they grid you by your pre-entry, not overall points. Thus you can still get a decent grid position even if you only hit the occational race.
As far as being competative in a class championship, and not traveling all over the US, CMRA is the best bet.

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Old 12-13-2007, 05:23 PM   #11
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A lot of CMRA guys are complaining about safety with the CCS races, especially at ECR because there is this huge highway-divider style guardrail through a chicane that could easily kill a moto rider (I wouldnt even want to go off there in a car). Not sure how much factual basis there is to the rest of the griping, but I've seen ECR and it does NOT look safe in current configuration.


The guardrail at Eagles Canyon is being removed along with other changes.
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One nice thing about CCS is they grid you by your pre-entry, not overall points. Thus you can still get a decent grid position even if you only hit the occational race.
As far as being competative in a class championship, and not traveling all over the US, CMRA is the best bet.

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which dont mean if your slow. the cmra way is safer due to the faster guys dont have to run over the slow ones
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which dont mean if your slow. the cmra way is safer due to the faster guys dont have to run over the slow ones


I have never figured out how a race org could do the other. the best way of course is by qual time and the cmra could do that if they just told everyone that they would grid by a q practice from the transponders.

I think ccs is the way to go if you want to win class like the old rpm series you may be the only one racing in your class and you will be the champ.
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No way that would work. You would have novice racers out there pushing it in practice just to grid up front. Nov practice is mayhem enough, let alone people pushing harder. Practice is practice and qualifying is qualifying. Club racing doesn't have the time to do both.
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The guardrail at Eagles Canyon is being removed along with other changes.
Well, that's very optimistic, the information I have is that they're hoping to have some of the armco gone by the summer...

I'll be optimistic too, but tentatively. I'd love to ride there, it looks like a bad to the bone track, but most of the armco they put up is not easily removed.

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No way that would work. You would have novice racers out there pushing it in practice just to grid up front. Nov practice is mayhem enough, let alone people pushing harder. Practice is practice and qualifying is qualifying. Club racing doesn't have the time to do both.
I wouldn't be opposed to qualifying, but like above, there is simply no time for it, and I wouldn't want to push it during practice or sighting laps. Besides, with all the different classes, it would take a day in itself just to complete the qualifying even if done at practice.

+1 on Glenn's comments comparing RPM, I know a lot of folks that benefited from light grids. Not much satisfaction in getting a podium just because there aren't many folks out there IMHO...

Grid by pre-entry is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of! What is that the solution to? I'd be if I had to pick through 10 people just to get up front where I run simply because someone pre-entered 10 minutes before I did. Not to mention, it sounds more dangerous because of the disparity in closing/ braking/ corner speeds.

I was never impressed with any CCS races I ran, not impressed with their organization or staff, and not impressed with the grid sizes. Unless Mr Marshall is making some huge changes with "his" part of CCS, the things that people whine about with CMRA are going to pale in comparison to the CCS issues they'll see.

Of course, no matter how bad or good things are with CCS, there'll be those that are just doing the series because they have personal problems with another org or something.

Without an endurance series, I won't hit CCS anyway, but time will tell if he'll be successful here.
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which dont mean if your slow. the cmra way is safer due to the faster guys dont have to run over the slow ones
I will have to argue that point. The first race of the CMRA season is grid'd on pre-entry (no points yet). Who usually gets the first few rows??? guess? yep the fast guys. There may be a few odd cases.

Even beyond that point, if your faster, you'll get around the slower guys anyway. It really isn't an issue IMHO.

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Well, that's very optimistic, the information I have is that they're hoping to have some of the armco gone by the summer...
I have privilaged info that says otherwise. I'm just saying....
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I have privilaged info that says otherwise. I'm just saying....
Very cool, I hope that happens. I'd love to ride there!

I know the CMRA does that for the first race, and I think that's dumb too. I think it should go by the previous season's finishing position in that class. but that's just for the first race anyway. Doing it for the whole season? WTF? What's that supposed to accomplish?

I know the fast guys will get around, but why should they have to? They finish up front and should start up front. Simple. No sense in having a racer that is 5 seconds or more off the fast guy's pace simply because his paperwork got in a little earlier.
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At this point, a lot of this is just conjecture, as this region is new and no one has had any experience with the club yet.

If you're going to race CCS, give it a try and see how it goes, if you're not, than it's of no consequence.
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