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Old 12-12-2007, 05:56 PM   #1
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Co-worker report on Red-light ticket

One of my co-workers got hit with a red-light ticket in Houston.

He appealed it and is in the legal process of 'fighting' it...


This is what he told me/claims so far...

1> With adding the light, the also remarked the intersection increasing it to 75'.
2> Yellow light shortened from 3.0 seconds to 2.7 seconds

I think he said the speed limit there is 30 or 35, cant remember for sure and I dind't get the intersection name.

He did tell me the prosecutor and the 'judge' were the same person, they accused him of being a frequent 'red light runner' (this was his first offense).
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"According to Garland's ordinance, a ticket will be issued "if the vehicle proceeds into an intersection at a system location when the traffic control signal for that vehicle's direction of travel is emitting a steady red signal." Garland defines entering the intersection as crossing an imaginary line that runs between the end points of the curb drawn parallel to the crosswalk. At one Garland intersection, the imaginary line would be ten feet beyond the painted stop bar.

According to Texas law, a motorist must stop "at a clearly marked stop line" when the red light is displayed. If the vehicle passes this physical line while the light is yellow or green, the driver may cautiously continue through the intersection. By creating an imaginary, unmarked stop line, Garland has given itself another ten feet in which it can ticket drivers.

About 80 percent of red light camera tickets issued nationwide are mailed to the owners of vehicles that entered an intersection less than one second after the light turned red. For most cities, the majority of citations are issued as little as 0.1 seconds after the light turns red. By changing the definition of the stop bar, Garland has, in effect, allowed itself to ticket drivers 0.2 seconds earlier (at 35 MPH) than state law would permit. Motorists whose tickets show a very low "late time" or "time into red" may now be able to mount a legal challenge. "
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like three people have won their cases when they appealed it.











seriously.
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Old 12-12-2007, 08:49 PM   #5
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like three people have won their cases when they appealed it.











seriously.
It really doesn't sound worth the hassle.
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I got a red light ticket in manhatten once...I was sitting at a red light...light turned green and I proceeded through....it turned red before I got all the way through the intersection and snapped my pic...it wasn;t worth flying all the way to ny to fight it so I just payed up.
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in houston, the red light ticket is now no longer a criminal offense, it's just a civil offense. the hassle IMO is not worth $75. but i would be more careful around lights, esp. one's that i know have the camera's. w/ the decline of tickets at intersections w/ them IMO the idea is working.
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It really doesn't sound worth the hassle.
<shrug> not my call, their ticket...their decision. His wife is an attorney <shrug>.

Just passing on random info.
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local houston ticket atty went to court to challenge the tickets, he lost.
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local houston ticket atty went to court to challenge the tickets, he lost.
I saw, are you wanting me to go tell them no, don't do it?

:-) Worst case they lose...

if on some bizarre chance they win, well I can try to provide what they argued, how they went about it etc.

Example: If someone could prove that the city had modified things enough so that it was nigh impossible to react in time to stop due to the length of the warning light and location of the 'intersection' line.
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in houston, the red light ticket is now no longer a criminal offense, it's just a civil offense. the hassle IMO is not worth $75.
Citations via the RLC's were never a criminal offense.

If you're truly not guilty then it's worth the hassle.
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