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Old 12-07-2007, 12:49 PM   #41
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I think he's point was very valid.

You have to see it from our point of view.

If you meet a 40 year old man that trully believes in Santa Clause and the Tooth Fairy.
Do you admire him for having such strong faith?
are you saying they arent real???
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Old 12-07-2007, 12:49 PM   #42
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what's the big deal about killing anyway LOL

i've never seen a living , have you?
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Do they kill of in that movie?

Its not about being a fantasy movie. Go read what happens to in the 3rd book. That is where the problem comes from. Funny how a guy that doesn't believe in puts that in his movie. If he isn't real, how can you kill him?
Have you read the books YOURSELF? Or are you basing this on the reviews and emails that are just a tad bit slanted?
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I didn't say respect my . I said have respect for our religion. If that is the choice we make, then leave it alone. Why don't you have arguments with Muslims like this? Probably out of fear of them shooting your . Hence, some kind of respect. I can see arguments, if I put myself in your shoes, even though I don't agree, about taking religion out of government and such. I disagree, but can see why you feel that way. But out of respect of other people's beliefs, you don't go create a children's movie about killing their . Especially considering what percentage of the US is Christian.

And by the way, you are a real stand up guy by calling Christians dumbasses and the comment "your Fukn ". Grow up.
First of all, If there were Muslims or Jews or any other religion, I would still have the argument.

Second.
NO.
I do not have to respect your religion at all.
What I respect is YOU. And so if you believe in your religion, I respect that.
But the religion ITSELF, IMHO is assinine (can't spell)
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Says you.

You are one angry bigot man!!!!



You're wrong.

How many murders, rapists, drunks are christian?
And they aren't really living the christian life now are they?

option 1. Again, what does the atheistic choice offer anybody? You believe you decended from a banana eating primate and started off as goo oozing out of the water. You have 80 years at best here and then you die(hopefully just die) Live for yourself and whatever the heck want to do. And have no hope for anything better.

option 2 That you were created by an AWESOME that made you in His image. Now the Christian you have a that loves you and gave His son for you and wants the best for you and gave you the Bible that tells you how to live a fulfilling life. Christians help other people and help each other. He gives you the holy spirit to confort you when the every thing seems hopeless. Then it offers you life for an eternity with no sickness, no war and death.

Just from looking at the two choice seems like one would have to be really dumb to pick option 1 especially since nobody knows for sure happens when you die.
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I think you have the word respect confused. I don't have to respect a fukn thing about your .
Arturo said it nicely when he said the only thing he has to respect, is your choice to believe in something different. Whether or not I make fun of said dumbass, is my freedom.
Again, grow up Robert. I'm not Gixxer, and I haven't been disrespectful to any of you that disagree with me
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Again, grow up Robert. I'm not Gixxer, and I haven't been disrespectful to any of you that disagree with me
still don't see where i said ur
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REAlly lets see if I am wrong the kids just die if atheist are wrong the kids burn in for eternity. I don't think I would want to push that on since nobody knows what is beyond deathfor sure seems like a mean selfish thing to do to a child. And how is bad for a kid to live a christian life. He won't get aids or be a drunkard or adulter or any other vile things. What is wrong with that? Why do you think you have to force atheistic beliefs on children. Your life choice and phylosphy don't offer to someone except ending up as wormdirt as the best senereo.
So you're saying if a kid lives a christian life he won't be a drunkard, adulterer, or do vile things? What do you consider vile? Some people would say cursing and writing inappropriate things on the internet. Do you consider yourself living a "christian life" according to your definition? Just curious since it seems you talk alot about and Christianity.
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Christians help other people and help each other.
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Yeah right.....they just say or think they do.....hipocrite

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Then it offers you life for an eternity with no sickness, no war and death.
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Yeah, but once all those rapists, drunks, degenerates accept in their dieing bedds, the'll be sharing eternityh with you.

No thank.
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still don't see where i said ur
More maturity, i got a couple words mixed up. Still no reason to get vulgar over it period. "fukn thing about your " oh well. Or calling Christians or Dumbasses. This is one of those immature type arguments a 4 yr old tries to make about nit picking over every detail of what you are upset about. Not what I said, you got it wrong.
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Have you read the books YOURSELF? Or are you basing this on the reviews and emails that are just a tad bit slanted?
How about from his own mouth in an interview in 2003. Look it up. No I have not read his books, but when the Author says his books "are about killing " I tend to believe what he says.
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the point is, i can't wait to see this movie and I'd even watch it twice to support someone who isn't afraid of the christian motohouston mob to make a movie that supports a different idea.
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How about from his own mouth in an interview in 2003. Look it up. No I have not read his books, but when the Author says his books "are about killing " I tend to believe what he says.
"Yes, it's true, as the e-mails virtually shriek, that Pullman once told an interviewer "His Dark Materials" is about "killing ," and that he wrote an op-ed piece describing C.S. Lewis' "The Chronicles of Narnia" as "ugly and poisonous." It's also true that these statements have been taken out of context -- not just out of the context of a particular interview or newspaper editorial, but out of the context of an entire culture, a culture of conversation, debate and consideration, rather than paranoia, alarmism and extremism."

Again, here is the link that I previously posted, which the above is copied from http://www.latimes.com/features/book...ooks-headlines
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While I agree with what you are saying as a Christian even, you don't see us making movies killing Alah, or Buddha, or any of the gods of the different religions. Its called respect. Just like you would ask me to respect your beliefs, and not try to force mine on you, there should be respect for our religion. I think it is a line that shouldn't be crossed. The only reason they did it was for the publicity, especially with all the uproar lately about being taken off money and such. But I do agree it is freedom of speech or the press. I just think out of respect, it shouldn't be in a children's fantasy movie. But oh well, what can ya do?

Because children shouldn't be allowed to think for themselves?
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That is what i heard too. It is one thing for an atheist adult to chose against but for an atheist to try to convince children not to believe in are just aholes imo that should be there decision.

Billions of people of other religions teach their kids to believe in something other than your .
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"Yes, it's true, as the e-mails virtually shriek, that Pullman once told an interviewer "His Dark Materials" is about "killing ," and that he wrote an op-ed piece describing C.S. Lewis' "The Chronicles of Narnia" as "ugly and poisonous." It's also true that these statements have been taken out of context -- not just out of the context of a particular interview or newspaper editorial, but out of the context of an entire culture, a culture of conversation, debate and consideration, rather than paranoia, alarmism and extremism."

Again, here is the link that I previously posted, which the above is copied from http://www.latimes.com/features/book...ooks-headlines
Pullman, though, expected more. "I've been surprised by how little criticism I've got. Harry Potter's been taking all the flak. I'm a great fan of J.K. Rowling, but the people - mainly from America's Bible Belt - who complain that Harry Potter promotes Satanism or witchcraft obviously haven't got enough in their lives. Meanwhile, I've been flying under the radar, saying things that are far more subversive than anything poor old Harry has said. My books are about killing ."

I've pulled out this exact phrase out of many online newspaper sites to make sure. doesn't look out of context to me.
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Because children shouldn't be allowed to think for themselves?
I think you missed the point. They should be allowed to think for themselfs. But they are also very gullable to snakes in the grass. ---directed to AurtoroC. end debate

For some of the extremists
For someone to hide those beliefs behind a movie is no different than saying a prayer at school or having a bible in the courthouse. Because no matter what you say our country was founded on a belief in . If you dont believe in it then leave it be for others too. But dont go telling people that they cant express what they feel in public for their because you dont believe but all the while you can openly express yourself. Dont try to take full control of everything and you would not be bothered. Sounds like some of the atheists want to have full power and have everything the way the want it to be without compramise
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