MotoHouston.com MotoHouston.com
Register Members List Member Map Media Calendar Garage Forum Home Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MotoHouston.com > General Discussion > Taking it to the Track
Forgot info?

Welcome to MotoHouston.com! You are currently viewing our forums as a guest which gives you limited access to the community. By joining our free community you will have access to great discounts from our sponsors, the ability to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content, free email, classifieds, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, join our community!

Register Today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.


Like us on Facebook! Regular shirt GIVEAWAYS and more

Advertisement

Reply
Share This Thread: 
Subscribe to this Thread Thread Tools
Old 12-05-2007, 05:42 PM   #21
bumblebee
Yeah I'm flippin' YOU off
 
bumblebee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Pearland
Feedback Rating: (3)
Posts: 12,268


Bike(s):
'74 Suzuki GT380
'82 XS650 StreetTracker
'10 Ducati Streetfighter
'83 Yamaha Seca 900






Quote:
Originally Posted by Scorpio View Post
Get a liter bike. Shifting's over rated.
J/k.
I used to have that problem quite a bit on the R1 also. Just had to learn to be smoother on the brakes and not to dump the clutch soo fast when bangin' down a couple gears.Or like they said, just get a STM slipper and call it a day.


It's likely that the second gear change is either too soon or not needed. What's happening is your rear wheel is trying to drive the engine, but because of the high RPM it is strongly resisting. That means the rear tire is wanting to lock up.
That causes the tire to slide a little and the rear wants to get in front. Try waiting on the second shift until the brakes slow you a little more and blip the throttle a little harder to get the engine RPMs to match the rear tire speed a little better.
__________________
Asphalt is for racing... dirt is for growing potatoes. - J. Diester
When seconds count... the police are only minutes away.
Grow up and be a productive member of society already.
Bevo- "I lack skillz"
bumblebee is online now   Reply With Quote
Similar Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
lucky to all walk away!!! Grinchy Taking it to the Track 9 05-12-2008 09:40 AM
They Walk Among Us! Greenway Smokey Off Topic 7 07-20-2007 11:41 AM
how to c walk. paniro187 Off Topic 16 04-18-2006 07:21 PM
Advertisement
Old 12-05-2007, 07:09 PM   #22
BlackWidow
The Doctor
 
BlackWidow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Sugar Land
Feedback Rating: (8)
Posts: 2,884

Experience: 5 years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
A Ducati
A KaToom
Several Yamahas...
Some Kawis
No HONDAS! ;)






Send a message via AIM to BlackWidow
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swift E View Post
Yours does
Incorrect. His does not.

Your F4i did - but then again your bike was Ty's old race bike & Mike/Gabe's old race bike/training bike aswell. Your bike did have a slipper clutch, but that was after market.

Honda's are POS and can't make decent slipper clu.... okay okay i'll stop!

Seriously though i think you should invest in a slipper clutch or just practice in the rain ....
__________________
A tip somebody gave me on Endurance Racing...

It is necessary to relax your muscles when you can. Relaxing your brain is fatal...
BlackWidow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2007, 07:11 PM   #23
Swift E
Senior Member
 
Swift E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Katy
Feedback Rating: (1)
Posts: 11,046

Experience: 6 years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
Triumph 675









Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackWidow View Post
Incorrect. His does not.

Your F4i did - but then again your bike was Ty's old race bike & Mike/Gabe's old race bike/training bike aswell. Your bike did have a slipper clutch, but that was after market.

Honda's are POS and can't make decent slipper clu.... okay okay i'll stop!

Seriously though i think you should invest in a slipper clutch or just practice in the rain ....
Hey Moe, Next time it rains... Regardless what track you're on, give me a call and I'll come by to walk you around it!
__________________
obama1
I'll keep my freedom, my guns and my money and you can keep The Change!
Swift E is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2007, 07:13 PM   #24
BlackWidow
The Doctor
 
BlackWidow's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Sugar Land
Feedback Rating: (8)
Posts: 2,884

Experience: 5 years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
A Ducati
A KaToom
Several Yamahas...
Some Kawis
No HONDAS! ;)






Send a message via AIM to BlackWidow
Quote:
Originally Posted by Swift E View Post
Hey Moe, Next time it rains... Regardless what track you're on, give me a call and I'll come by to walk you around it!
Haha, you got it bro!

You mean like last track day?

__________________
A tip somebody gave me on Endurance Racing...

It is necessary to relax your muscles when you can. Relaxing your brain is fatal...
BlackWidow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2007, 07:19 PM   #25
tomLSTD
LSTD Mob Cappo
 
tomLSTD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 6,798

Experience: 1-3 months
Trackdays: 1






Member Garage





Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackWidow View Post
Incorrect. His does not.

Your F4i did - but then again your bike was Ty's old race bike & Mike/Gabe's old race bike/training bike aswell. Your bike did have a slipper clutch, but that was after market.
Eeeeeasy there big fella! I think we already beat to death that the F4 doesn't have a slipper clutch.

I seriously doubt that Swift's old F4i had one either- not may running around when Ty raced that thing (if any... I can't remember when the Annandale team was running- was it '03?) and I doubt Mike put one in for track days as_well. I've been wrong before though.

Here's the deal Swift- if you're uncomfortable with the way the bike is acting while down shifting, modify your actions. It's not the bike. I rode that thing pretty hard at TWS (Texas World Speedway) (not like as if it were my bike, but I was on a sub-two minute pace), and didn't have any issues, even when grabbing two gears coming in to turn 3, or grabbing two coming in to the horseshoe. I was blipping the throttle though- but the triple is pretty smooth and I didn't feel the engine braking as much as the twin, but a little more than the i-4. Oh yeah, I like the bike... [Borat] eets niiiice [/Borat]

Like has been suggested, blip the throttle or wait a bit longer to grab that second gear when down shifting. Either that, or grow some bells and carry more corner speed you!

Oh yeah, go to Church you heathens!
__________________
I am Tyler Durdin's bad attitude.
tomLSTD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2007, 07:39 PM   #26
Warpbender
warped and bent
 
Warpbender's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Hockley, TX
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 1,717

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 1

Bike(s):
'07 Yammy FZ1 "the faster blue one"
'04 DR650se (sold)



Member Garage


Why is "backing it in" a bad thing?
http://www.supermotoracer.com/SMR%20...2_backitin.pdf
__________________

Life is too short not to ride nekkid!
Quote:
Originally Posted by CaligoneTx View Post
So keep talking chit or try it.
Warpbender is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2007, 07:49 PM   #27
houseofpaint
PM for BESTPRICE on parts
 
houseofpaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Spring, TX
Feedback Rating: (7)
Posts: 9,486

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
2010 Yamaha R1 racebike
2012 GSXR750 Racebike
2003 DRZ125 semiflattracker


Member Garage





Send a message via AIM to houseofpaint
after i put the slipper clutch in my 600rr.........i was impressed. best mod ever!!!!

also.....if you're like me, and hammer that front brake...sometimes you unload so much off the rear tire....that it is free spinning almost which causes it to slide around.....i've noticed soon as i let off the front brakes, it stops squirming around.

barely happens with the slipper clutch now....save some pennies...and get the slipper. you won't regret it.
__________________
www.facebook.com/HouseOfPaintDesigns
Follow us on Instagram @hopdesigns

Custom Paint, Powdercoating, and Collision repair (Cars and bikes)[/b]
houseofpaint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2007, 08:15 PM   #28
Patrick
Motorcycles Unlimited
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Houston
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 16,367

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
'14 Speed Triple R, '82 CB900F, '13 Streetglide






Try matching your rpms a little better when you down shift, or only make 1 downshift.
Your gearing may be off too, so changing sprockets may help.
__________________
Call or PM for the BEST PRICES in Houston for PARTS and ACCESSORIES.
MAKE SURE TO MENTION YOU'RE ON MH TO GET THE BEST PRICE!

NEED GEAR? We have a great selection in stock but if we need to order it we GUARANTEE FIT!
Where Houston riders go to have their bikes worked on, done right the first time!


muad

1964 FM 1960 West
Houston, TX 77090
Hours: Tues.-Fri. 9:30-6:00 Sat. 9-5:30
www.motorcycles-unlimited.com
http://www.facebook.com/motorcyclesunlimited
e-mail: patrick@motorcycles-unlimited.com
Patrick is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2007, 08:20 PM   #29
Dgig
Senior Member
 
Dgig's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: humble
Feedback Rating: (1)
Posts: 648


Bike(s):
06 gsxr 600









I got a slipper
Dgig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2007, 09:16 PM   #30
witchdoctor575
certified shutterbug
 
witchdoctor575's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Alvin
Feedback Rating: (11)
Posts: 23,547

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 1

Bike(s):
07 triumph D675(sold)
05 busa LE (sold)
03 rc51 (sold)
99 superhawk (wrecked)
01 shadow 1100 (sold)

Member Garage





swift...get some meat on your bones,lol. No traction problems out of the wife's 675...then again I have about 50 pounds on ya. It definetly does not have the engine braking of the rc.
witchdoctor575 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2007, 09:24 PM   #31
Chino
We need Emotional Content
 
Chino's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 377


Bike(s):
R6's









Blip the throttle when down shifting... will become natural with time and cheaper than a slipper clutch
Chino is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2007, 09:28 PM   #32
Patrick
Motorcycles Unlimited
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Houston
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 16,367

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
'14 Speed Triple R, '82 CB900F, '13 Streetglide






Quote:
Originally Posted by Chino View Post
Blip the throttle when down shifting... will become natural with time and cheaper than a slipper clutch
+1

While slipper clutches are the bomb, they let you "cheat" and you don't learn how to downshift properly.
__________________
Call or PM for the BEST PRICES in Houston for PARTS and ACCESSORIES.
MAKE SURE TO MENTION YOU'RE ON MH TO GET THE BEST PRICE!

NEED GEAR? We have a great selection in stock but if we need to order it we GUARANTEE FIT!
Where Houston riders go to have their bikes worked on, done right the first time!


muad

1964 FM 1960 West
Houston, TX 77090
Hours: Tues.-Fri. 9:30-6:00 Sat. 9-5:30
www.motorcycles-unlimited.com
http://www.facebook.com/motorcyclesunlimited
e-mail: patrick@motorcycles-unlimited.com
Patrick is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2007, 09:37 PM   #33
houseofpaint
PM for BESTPRICE on parts
 
houseofpaint's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Spring, TX
Feedback Rating: (7)
Posts: 9,486

Experience: 10+ years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
2010 Yamaha R1 racebike
2012 GSXR750 Racebike
2003 DRZ125 semiflattracker


Member Garage





Send a message via AIM to houseofpaint
Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
+1

While slipper clutches are the bomb, they let you "cheat" and you don't learn how to downshift properly.
if you can't beat em....join em

and indeed...slipper clutches are the bomb!
__________________
www.facebook.com/HouseOfPaintDesigns
Follow us on Instagram @hopdesigns

Custom Paint, Powdercoating, and Collision repair (Cars and bikes)[/b]
houseofpaint is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-05-2007, 09:59 PM   #34
hypertrophyy
Senior Member
 
hypertrophyy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Woodlands
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 706


Bike(s):
07 600rr track









Quote:
Originally Posted by Patrick View Post
Try matching your rpms a little better when you down shift, or only make 1 downshift.
Your gearing may be off too, so changing sprockets may help.
+1..... sounds like your charging the turn to hard before your setup for the speed your entering. The faster you get on your bike will change lots points for you on the track and bike. If your running the turn faster than before... you might be able to handle the turn better/faster in a higher gear. Like Pat said... might want to change sprockets. For your weight... might be looking at geometry and suspension too. I doubt that.

If your riding the same as always.... need to keep searching or try what Pat said. If Tom is running under 2's at TWS (Texas World Speedway) on it and says the bikes not giving him problems.... then its not damage to the bike.

Last edited by hypertrophyy; 12-05-2007 at 10:02 PM.
hypertrophyy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2007, 12:47 PM   #35
jodyhudson
Senior Member
 
jodyhudson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Feedback Rating: (5)
Posts: 4,297

Experience: 10+ years











Send a message via Yahoo to jodyhudson
dont be scared ! just back that in !!!!!!!!!!!
jodyhudson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2007, 01:01 PM   #36
99eight
Member
 
99eight's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Austin
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 81


Bike(s):
998 and 999









Quote:
Originally Posted by Buck Beasley View Post
If you are on a slippered bike, change your oil as often as you go to church.(well as offten as you should go, you freakin' heathen!!)Most slippers are the ramp style and wear quickly and all that metal is going into your oil.
Buck, If you ran a Duc (dry clutch) you can just catch all of the clutch plate dust on your boots like I do! Darn white boots...
99eight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2007, 01:36 PM   #37
NOsquid
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 111












Is the tire locking up or just lifting?
NOsquid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2007, 04:54 PM   #38
Capafool
QuePaso Racing
 
Capafool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: SW Side (SugarLand/Houston Border)
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 1,706

Experience: 7 years
Trackdays: 10+

Bike(s):
'01 Gixxer 1k (Track)
'10 Duc 848 (Street)
'05 Drz-110 (Tarded)







Send a message via AIM to Capafool Send a message via MSN to Capafool
I had that feeling when I first started... I wasn't bliping enough to match rpms more closely. Also carrying more entry speed will help a little. Other factors have been mentioned by Tom and Patrick. Eventually when you reach the limits of all factors it will come back, but good handling/skill on your parts will allow you to maintain control.

IMO you don't need a slipper clutch. If you hone your skills on what you have you'll easily pwn those who have slipper clutches. Not the clutch, just saying that with some practice you can get pretty good without throwing down the money for one.
__________________
~Gianni~
CMRA Sprints #486
TMGP Endurance #46
"Scientists discover the world that exists; Engineers create the world that never was."
Capafool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2007, 04:56 PM   #39
jodyhudson
Senior Member
 
jodyhudson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Feedback Rating: (5)
Posts: 4,297

Experience: 10+ years











Send a message via Yahoo to jodyhudson
yeah, but the slipper clutch works so much nicer !!!
jodyhudson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-06-2007, 06:26 PM   #40
tomLSTD
LSTD Mob Cappo
 
tomLSTD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 6,798

Experience: 1-3 months
Trackdays: 1






Member Garage





Quote:
Originally Posted by jodyhudson View Post
yeah, but the slipper clutch works so much nicer !!!
+1

Best money we ever spent on the endurance bike FTW!
__________________
I am Tyler Durdin's bad attitude.
tomLSTD is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Advertisement


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:50 AM.


MotoHouston.com is not responsible for the content posted by users.
Privacy Policy