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Old 12-05-2007, 02:53 PM   #21
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Here is an actual excerpt of the speed on two wheels DVD on youtube for countersteering:

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Old 12-05-2007, 02:57 PM   #22
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you should be turning the bike more with your body position (i.e. changing the center of gravity by leaning off the bike) and weighting your inside peg on the track. Pushing around on the bars too much can cause instability under braking and acceleration.
I'm nowhere near that stage
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Old 12-05-2007, 02:59 PM   #23
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Personally I think too much emphasis is placed on the concept of countersteering. If you are thinking about it, you are paying too much attention to what inputs you are making and not enough on the rest of what is going on.
Bottom line is youu can't turn a bike without countersteering, period. Consequently you don't need to think about that and instead need to focus on things like speed, braking, throttle control, road surface, other vehicles, etc.
If you are turning,just focus on the variables at hand and not the mechanics of how it is happening.
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Old 12-05-2007, 03:02 PM   #24
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Here is an actual excerpt of the speed on two wheels DVD on youtube for countersteering:

http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=FWb3lGjF928

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That is an excellent video. Don't get me wrong I think it's important to understand how countersteering works, but to think about and consiously try to do it while riding, is taking away from your ability to think about all the other stuff you need to be doing.
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yea, i'm gonna just go ahead and say I do it! I will just refrain from ever talking about that aspect of my riding.
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I understand the theory and the physics and I can do it at cruising/warm up speeds but just not when I'm at my max which is faster than some and considerably slower than others !!
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Personally I think too much emphasis is placed on the concept of countersteering. If you are thinking about it, you are paying too much attention to what inputs you are making and not enough on the rest of what is going on.
Bottom line is youu can't turn a bike without countersteering, period. Consequently you don't need to think about that and instead need to focus on things like speed, braking, throttle control, road surface, other vehicles, etc.
If you are turning,just focus on the variables at hand and not the mechanics of how it is happening.
Fair comment
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you should be turning the bike more with your body position (i.e. changing the center of gravity by leaning off the bike) and weighting your inside peg on the track. Pushing around on the bars too much can cause instability under braking and acceleration.
Thats called body steering, and actually many riding schools preach against it. There are some exceptions, but most of the "fast" guys don't hang off all that much. I can think of a few that do, but most stay centered (somewhat) and as low as possible.
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Yup, that's me.
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Yeah Kieth Code has a special bike with a second set of handle bars mounted to the frame. He invites devotees of body steering to try and turn the bike while holding on to them...

It doesn't work.

Hanging off helps to keep the bike more upright at a higher speed but doesn't really affect turning much, it's more of a center of gravity thing.
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i would say you have steering down pretty well then.
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you should be turning the bike more with your body position (i.e. changing the center of gravity by leaning off the bike) and weighting your inside peg on the track. Pushing around on the bars too much can cause instability under braking and acceleration.
Now I was advised to weight the outside peg as best I could ???????????
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Old 12-05-2007, 03:12 PM   #35
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Then I wonder why you worry about it.
I'm not so much worried, I would just like to be as fast as my friends who seem to be able to COUNTER STEER there way through a corner normally straight up the inside of me
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Well, your skill level is way beyond mine. I can only suppose it may have to do with breaking, corner entry speed and whatnot if your buddy stuffs you in the corner. :/: There are a lot of knowledgable guys on here. I hope they can help.

Maybe start considering taking a private class with Ty or Larry when you are over here.
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well put BUT as soon as the bike starts to lean you better straighten the bars back up or you will end up on your A$$
Good point you got there... didn't realize it till now
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Yeah Kieth Code has a special bike with a second set of handle bars mounted to the frame. He invites devotees of body steering to try and turn the bike while holding on to them...

It doesn't work.

Hanging off helps to keep the bike more upright at a higher speed but doesn't really affect turning much, it's more of a center of gravity thing.
http://www.superbikeschool.com/gallery/album02

Keith Code is cool but he is teamed up with Kawasaki and I am a Suzuki man so I could never go to his school
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