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Old 12-05-2007, 01:57 PM   #1
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Counter Steering

I did another trackday recently and I noticed that over the first couple of laps or three I can counter steer with the best of them but as soon as the pace picks up it all goes out the window !!
Is this something you fast guys work on or is it something that just comes naturally and if you haven't got it, you haven't got it !!
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I'm not Fast at all but each time I'm on the track, I focus on counter steering for the first few laps then it seems to happen naturally.
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what is counter steering?

i may or may not be doing it.
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what is counter steering?
Seriously?
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Old 12-05-2007, 02:09 PM   #5
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seriously. i just ride and don't define what it is that i am doing, until I know the term for what I am doing, then I define it.

i figure it has something to do with weight shifting...or something in the opposite direction of steering.

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Old 12-05-2007, 02:09 PM   #6
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what is counter steering?

i may or may not be doing it.
Mastering the technique of countersteering is essential for safe motorcycle riding, and as a result is a large part of the safe riding courses run by the Motorcycle Safety Foundation.
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if you are riding a bike then you are counter steering


you have to do it to ride a bike, how is it going out the window?
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You may be doing it naturally, I am sure! Here is the explaination though:

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When riding a bicycle or a motorcycle, countersteering is a method of initiating a turn by a small, momentary turn of the front wheel, usually via the handlebars, in the opposite (counter) direction.
Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countersteering
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ya, i mean, i know I am doing it, but I don't know exactly what countersteering is.

for a simple left hander, can someone explain the counter steer?
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you push the left bar away from you !!
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ya, i mean, i know I am doing it, but I don't know exactly what countersteering is.

for a simple left hander, can someone explain the counter steer?
I love this DVD. You may want to check it out:

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He actually glances over countersteering in the trailer for the documentary.
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you should be turning the bike more with your body position (i.e. changing the center of gravity by leaning off the bike) and weighting your inside peg on the track. Pushing around on the bars too much can cause instability under braking and acceleration.
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look further thru the turn.
I can try that !
I make a conscious effort to accelerate and try to control when and how hard.
Pretty much the same with braking (although could probably be way later !!)
but I don't seem to be able to apply counter steering in the way some seem to be able too. I've never been able to change my line mid corner by counter steering for instance.
Hard to describe.
Can do it on the warm up laps........................
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At very slow speeds we steer a motorcycle by turning the handlebar in the direction we wish to go. We can only do that at speeds of less than about 5 MPH. At any higher speed we do the exact opposite, whether we realize it or not. For example, assuming we want to turn to the right, we actually TRY to turn the handlebar left. This results in the front wheel leaning to the right and, as a result of the lean of the wheel, a turn to the right. This is counter-steering.
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I love this DVD. You may want to check it out:

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He actually glances over countersteering in the trailer for the documentary.
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Was more for hotnanas. Still a good DVD though, once you get over here.
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At very slow speeds we steer a motorcycle by turning the handlebar in the direction we wish to go. We can only do that at speeds of less than about 5 MPH. At any higher speed we do the exact opposite, whether we realize it or not. For example, assuming we want to turn to the right, we actually TRY to turn the handlebar left. This results in the front wheel leaning to the right and, as a result of the lean of the wheel, a turn to the right. This is counter-steering.
well put BUT as soon as the bike starts to lean you better straighten the bars back up or you will end up on your A$$
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ok, i think i might have it. next time i ride i will focus on my actions and see what i am doing.
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