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Old 12-04-2007, 03:10 PM   #41
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so i guess you can carry the handgun concealed on you when you are in a car, or on your bike.
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Since when in Texas did long guns have to be concealed?
I just started reading this thread, this is my thoughts exactly. I have always had guns in my rear window. Redneck . Why couldn't a shotgun be carried on a bike like you would a horse? Now driving around with it loaded in your hand may be a problem. But I can't imagine there being a problem with it mounted on the side like you would on a horse.
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Another thing that is good to point out is that if you are going to take out your gun you better use it. If you do shoot, shoot to kill, not to injure. The law is picky about this stuff, you have more chance of getting into trouble if you shoot someone with a bean bag out of a shotgun than if you kill them with buckshot. If you pull a gun on someone w/o using it, it is a class A(don't quote the class) misdemeanor in Texas(I'm sure there are circumstances where you could pull a gun on someone about to cause you harm and they run off and you wouldn't get into trouble) but the point is you can't just pull a gun on people all the time as a deterrent, you must act as if you aren't carrying up until the gun is actually NEEDED.
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Old 12-04-2007, 03:28 PM   #44
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Another thing that is good to point out is that if you are going to take out your gun you better use it. If you do shoot, shoot to kill, not to injure. The law is picky about this stuff, you have more chance of getting into trouble if you shoot someone with a bean bag out of a shotgun than if you kill them with buckshot. If you pull a gun on someone w/o using it, it is a class A(don't quote the class) misdemeanor in Texas(I'm sure there are circumstances where you could pull a gun on someone about to cause you harm and they run off and you wouldn't get into trouble) but the point is you can't just pull a gun on people all the time as a deterrent, you must act as if you aren't carrying up until the gun is actually NEEDED.
true, ive heard of people getting into trouble because they pull a gun on someone about to cause harm, or pursue a criminal act. than the criminal turns around and says they werent engaged in criminal activity and they have basis to sue, and get out of criminal charges.
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so i guess you can carry the handgun concealed on you when you are in a car, or on your bike.
read the doc carefully... The only time it's ok to do so WITHOUT a CHL is if you're TRAVELING. Going to the grocery store is not traveling.
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read the doc carefully... The only time it's ok to do so WITHOUT a CHL is if you're TRAVELING. Going to the grocery store is not traveling.
Ummmm.....no. Study the laws...then re-try
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Old 12-04-2007, 03:58 PM   #47
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Since when in Texas did long guns have to be concealed?
that was a reply to having a shotgun on the side of a motorcycle. can't do that.
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Ummmm.....no. Study the laws...then re-try
re-try what?
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The only time it's ok to do so WITHOUT a CHL is if you're TRAVELING. Going to the grocery store is not traveling.

The point was that this is totally untrue, so your advice was neither intelligent nor helpful. Not trying to bash, just lots of people here need to re-read the gun laws before they offer up their advice.
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that was a reply to having a shotgun on the side of a motorcycle. can't do that.
Why not? I could walk around my town with one if I wanted to...loaded too. I'm not saying I would advise riding with a shotgun, but where in the law does it say you can't? Are you saying that because logically you would think it is illegal, or can you show me where it says it's illegal?

I honestly don't know whether it is or not, but I'm very interested to find out what they could possibly charge you with if it isn't
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Old 12-04-2007, 04:06 PM   #51
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re-try what?
your comprehension of the law is flawed.

the new text states:

(a-1) A person commits an offense if the person
intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries on or about his or
her person a handgun in a motor vehicle that is owned by the person
or under the person's control at any time in which:
(1) the handgun is in plain view; or
(2) the person is:
(A) engaged in criminal activity, other than a
Class C misdemeanor that is a violation of a law or ordinance
regulating traffic;
(B) prohibited by law from possessing a firearm;
or
(C) a member of a criminal street gang, as
defined by Section 71.01.

these are the only stipulations to carrying in your vehicle
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The point was that this is totally untrue, so your advice was neither intelligent nor helpful. Not trying to bash, just lots of people here need to re-read the gun laws before they offer up their advice.
Hence the reason I posted the link with the direct bill. Explaining it so you an everyone interested can read...

and what I wrote about the traveling, yeah there's cases when it's ok, and I wasn't clear enough about it, so that line was my bad for not being specific.
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House Bill 1815 amends the Penal Code to modify the conduct that constitutes the offense of unlawful carrying of a weapon to exclude a person carrying a handgun, illegal knife, or club on the person's own premises or premises under the person's control or inside of or directly en route to a motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's control. The bill makes it an offense to intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carry a handgun in a motor vehicle that is owned by the person or under the person's control if the handgun is in plain view or the person is engaged in certain criminal activity, is prohibited from possessing a firearm, or is a member of a criminal street gang. The bill deletes provisions that made the prohibitions under the offense of unlawful carrying of a weapon inapplicable to certain persons, including a person on the person's own premises or on premises under the person's control.
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read the doc carefully... The only time it's ok to do so WITHOUT a CHL is if you're TRAVELING. Going to the grocery store is not traveling.
That was the previous law. After the change, and as far as I know, we can now carry in our vehicles, at any time, so long as it is not visible. The "traveling" clause was too vague.
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This discussion comes up way to often. You guys need to get a lawyer and discuss your options.
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Hence the reason I posted the link with the direct bill. Explaining it so you an everyone interested can read...

and what I wrote about the traveling, yeah there's cases when it's ok, and I wasn't clear enough about it, so that line was my bad for not being specific.
good work on the link though bro
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<---everything everyone else said
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lol, na no sarcasm... i was too lazy to google it, so i give him props for spending the time to find the "actual amended text".
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i need to do some actual work today and gtfo this forum... lol
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The law provides that the offense of unlawful carrying of a weapon is not applicable to a person who is traveling. House Bill 823 amends the Penal Code to clarify that, for this purpose, a person is presumed to be traveling if the person is in a private motor vehicle, is not otherwise engaged in criminal activity other than certain traffic offenses, is not otherwise prohibited by law from possessing a firearm, is not a member of a criminal street gang, and is not carrying a handgun in plain view. The bill also provides evidentiary instructions relating to any penal law presumption in favor of a defendant with respect to any fact.
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