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Old 12-03-2007, 08:23 PM   #101
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The correlation was made between defibrilation and the taser. In my first post replying to that, I made mention that while it's possible that someone may die, the chances are remote that it will be due to the taser energy delivered to the person. You wanted to bring Dementia in to this to "explain" like I was wrong (or that is the impression I got).

All I did was explain that: the method of delivering energy for defibrilation is higher/ different, is given as directly to the heart as possible, most of the time is bi-phasic, and is designed to deliver energy anteriorly to posteriorly to travel through the chest cavity to achieve desired effect. Tasers on the other hand are designed to deliver enough energy to effect muscles to contract, causing a muscular paralysis of sorts, conduct the electricity between two poles (which are inches apart) and across the dermis and surface musculature, and that under the right conditions, can cause death or cardiac arrythmias in certain instances- but are relatively rare.

I haven't seen that, and couldn't find it. The only one I found was the one I posted, which was '99-'04 and was 73. Makes sense that it would be 200 or so in the past 5 years, I know there are probably 4 times as many departments using them in the past 5 years vs the previous 5.

really...so her saying at the beginning of her post that you were right but you left out some stuff was saying you were wrong...dude...read more carefully next time. There are people that know more in this world. As for bring her into this...she is also on MH as well and has opinions of her own. She also works in one the best cardiac hospitals in this country on a heart/lung transplant floor...so unless you are a cardiac doctor...

And lastly..your the one who started with the my medical knowledge is more vast than thou attitude by bring defibs into the conversation...they are not even relevant to the conversation...one hurts...one helps...I am sure you know the difference.
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Old 12-03-2007, 08:36 PM   #102
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I am done with this thread...it is pointless to argue with people that are ok with cops bad decisions and trying to rationalize it. Maybe if they had to grow up looking out the window at that car driving slowly by wondering if that was one of moms current suspects or past convictions wanting retrobution they would understand.
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Old 12-03-2007, 08:44 PM   #103
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really...so her saying at the beginning of her post that you were right but you left out some stuff was saying you were wrong...dude...read more carefully next time. There are people that know more in this world. As for bring her into this...she is also on MH as well and has opinions of her own. She also works in one the best cardiac hospitals in this country on a heart/lung transplant floor...so unless you are a cardiac doctor...

And lastly..your the one who started with the my medical knowledge is more vast than thou attitude by bring defibs into the conversation...they are not even relevant to the conversation...one hurts...one helps...I am sure you know the difference.
Before turning this in to a match, re-read the posts. I did NOT bring up defibrillation- someone else did. I just provided information about it.
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Ill have crys look for some of those cases. I know if you get a jolt across the heart it can stop it (ie defib). but i think that the tazers should be last line before they pull the gun.
Second, I never said anything about her or that she was wrong, or anything derogatory. You posted that you were going to go ask her "when she gets up" for some clarification or something.
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does it matter on the fine definitions? if a person is in need to be defibed...they are dieing...no healthy person is in need to be shocked. I'll get my wife to chime in on this when she gets up...she is a cardiac transplant recovery nurse at st.lukes.
Third, I don't have to be a cardiac doctor to reply, I know well enough to talk about this subject on my own, thanks.
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Old 12-03-2007, 10:13 PM   #104
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Simple solution, don't do anything to cause you to be tased, run over or shot Simple really.
Keep believing that.

What was it that you said about sheeple?
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Keep believing that.

What was it that you said about sheeple?
Been working pretty well for the majority of our population.

If you want to read what I said about sheeple, you can scroll up a page or so...
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Old 12-03-2007, 11:51 PM   #106
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Been working pretty well for the majority of our population.

If you want to read what I said about sheeple, you can scroll up a page or so...
What you're referring to is called enabling and the majority of our population does NOT believe in it.

Like I said on the first page, the day that the people stop criticising the government is the day that this is no longer a free country. The police are part of the gov and need to be held accountable to the public. If the Ohio officers tased a woman in the neck while she was down - in the freakin' police station . .... then yeah - they're gonna catch some over it. People aren't just going to accept some story that they were trying to stop her from leaving.
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What you're referring to is called enabling and the majority of our population does NOT believe in it.

Like I said on the first page, the day that the people stop criticising the government is the day that this is no longer a free country. The police are part of the gov and need to be held accountable to the public. If the Ohio officers tased a woman in the neck while she was down - in the freakin' police station . .... then yeah - they're gonna catch some over it. People aren't just going to accept some story that they were trying to stop her from leaving.
No, I'm not referring to "enabling", and show me where I said the "majority" of the populatin "believes in it". So in the converse, you say that the majority of the population does not get in trouble with the law, not because they are complying with the laws of the land, but because someone is enabling them? That could be the most rediculous thing I have ever heard!

I didn't tell anyone to believe anything, I could care less what you believe. The random rantings that automatically condemn people based on information from the media makes you a "sheeple". You have part of the information, and you make broad stroke judgements based on that. You assume that the information you have is accurate, and you get on a high-horse with opinions to try to over-shadow that there may be an alternate truth which may be actual.

The facts remain: None of you were there, you have a few statements published by the media, and nowadays anyone that gets tased is automatically a "poor me" victim. Just like all the whiners that complain about getting pulled over "all the time for no reason". I bet she did something that caused her to get tased. I may be wrong.

Alternately, I guess you could be right and she was an innocent person, who was minding their own business with a protruding pregnant belly, when the bad popo came out of nowhere- while knowingly being filmed- and decided to start tasing her for no good reason what so ever. :/:

Additionaly, don't make a blanket statement directed to me about what I believe or don't believe. I never said anything about not critisizing the government, I am one of the biggest critics of the government- especially when you have crooks like "Slick Willie" and his so called "wife" running around with their socialist government ideals.
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