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Old 12-02-2007, 10:31 PM   #1
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FBI Investigates After Officer Uses Taser On Pregnant Woman
Jill Del Greco, Reporter

POSTED: 6:33 pm EST November 28, 2007
UPDATED: 5:15 pm EST November 29, 2007



Trotwood Public Safety Director Michael Etter said the incident happened on Nov. 18. He said the woman arrived at the police department asking to give up custody of her 1-year-old son.

Etter said his officer spoke with the woman as she held on to the child outside the police department.

"(He) attempted to obtain information on both the mother and the child, at which time the mother refused to give any information and became very agitated," Etter said.

Surveillance video from the police department shows the woman try to leave with the child. The officer then grabs her coat in an effort to get her to stop. Etter said the officer was doing what he thought was in the best interest of the 1-year-old boy.

The video shows the woman struggle with the officer, who then takes the child from her and gives the boy to another officer. The first officer then forces the woman down on her stomach, and he then deploys a Taser on her neck.

Etter said the officer did not know the woman was pregnant.

"She did not disclose, even after she was arrested, that she was pregnant," Etter said. He said the woman was wearing a large winter coat and had her child on her lap when she was talking to the officer.

Etter said the department is cooperating with the FBI investigation, and there is also an ongoing internal investigation to see if the use of force was warranted for the situation.

Etter said the officer involved is still on duty.

Trotwood's use of force policy states officers should "greatly evaluate each situation with discretion when anticipating the deployment of the Taser on young children, elderly persons, and pregnant females."

News Center 7 spoke with the woman involved in the case, but she declined the opportunity to make a statement, saying only that she feels "unjustly served."

Officers said the 1-year-old boy was put into the custody of a family member after the incident.

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I guess technically he was in the green but tell me why a trained officer can't subdue a woman without the need to use a taser. You never know when a person with a weak heart will kick over because of a jolt.
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This taser is out of control.
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I guess technically he was in the green but tell me why a trained officer can't subdue a woman without the need to use a taser. You never know when a person with a weak heart will kick over because of a jolt.
He hasnt had the chance to use it yet? :dontknow:
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Were cops not able to do their jobs before tasers???

Yes, they were.

Tasers should be a last resort. Like a Gun.
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"armchair cops"

Not sure if you were trying to be funny but....

The day that the Police (the government) are not held accountable by the public is the day that this is no longer a free country. Therefore, you'll always have criticism of the Police and their actions. The LEO's should'nt take it personal and you should expect there to be around 300 million "arm chair" cops out there.

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"armchair cops"

Not sure if you were trying to be funny but....

The day that the Police (the government) are not held accountable by the public is the day that this is no longer a free country. Therefore, you'll always have criticism of the Police and their actions. The LEO's should'nt take it personal and you should expect there to be around 300 million "arm chair" cops out there.

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The taser is making some officers very lazy.

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Lol!!! I'd figure that "officers did no wrong!".
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thats assuming you think this officer did wrong.
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thats assuming you think this officer did wrong.
Well, I wasn't there to see the words being spoken back and forth and what type of resistance they speak of. Either way, pregnant women are scary.
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thats assuming you think this officer did wrong.
If she's laughing at the statement 'the officer did no wrong' then she obviously disagrees with it.

What about you? You think it's ok for the police to tase a woman who's committed no crime and was trying to leave the police station? What happened to the 'Baby Moses' law which says that you can leave a child at a police or fire station 'no questions asked'?
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not to mention this is only one side of the story, the police departments side. I would be willing to bet surveillance video and her lawyer tell a different tale. . .
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1. What is the "Baby Moses Law?"
The "Baby Moses Law" is the common name of a law authorizing a designated emergency infant care provider to take possession of a child appearing to be 60-days-old or younger from the child's parent, if the parent does not express intent to return for the child. You can find this law in the Texas Family Code, Chapter 262, Subchapter D. Emergency Possession of Certain Abandoned Children.


2. What are the purposes of this law?
One purpose of the law is to encourage parents who abandon their children to do so with a designated emergency infant care provider rather than at a dangerous location. The law also protects parents from criminal prosecution when they deliver an unharmed child to a designated emergency infant care provider.


3. How does the law work?
Any parent may voluntarily deliver a child 60 days old or younger to a designated emergency infant care provider when the parent does not express an intent to return for the child.

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What about you? You think it's ok for the police to tase a woman who's committed no crime and was trying to leave the police station? What happened to the 'Baby Moses' law which says that you can leave a child at a police or fire station 'no questions asked'?
unforn if it warrents it yes, dunno whats worse taz or tackling, do you ?

maybe the state this incident occured in doesn't have a baby moses law? dunno.

"3. How does the law work?
Any parent may voluntarily deliver a child 60 days old or younger to a designated emergency infant care provider when the parent does not express an intent to return for the child. "

and the kid being dropped off was 1+ , so i doesn't apply anyways.
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If she's laughing at the statement 'the officer did no wrong' then she obviously disagrees with it.

What about you? You think it's ok for the police to tase a woman who's committed no crime and was trying to leave the police station? What happened to the 'Baby Moses' law which says that you can leave a child at a police or fire station 'no questions asked'?
Isn't there a certain time frame on that though? This child was already a year old.
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§ 262.109. NOTICE TO PARENT, CONSERVATOR, OR
GUARDIAN. (a) The department or other agency must give written
notice as prescribed by this section to each parent of the child or
to the child's conservator or legal guardian when a representative
of the Department of Protective and Regulatory Services or other
agency takes possession of a child under this chapter.
(b) The written notice must be given as soon as practicable,
but in any event not later than the first working day after the date
the child is taken into possession.
(c) The written notice must include:
(1) the reasons why the department or agency is taking
possession of the child and the facts that led the department to
believe that the child should be taken into custody;
(2) the name of the person at the department or agency
that the parent, conservator, or other custodian may contact for
information relating to the child or a legal proceeding relating to
the child;
(3) a summary of legal rights of a parent,
conservator, guardian, or other custodian under this chapter and an
explanation of the probable legal procedures relating to the child;
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(d) The written notice may be waived by the court at the
initial hearing:
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(A) the parents, conservators, or other
custodians of the child could not be located; or
(B) the department took possession of the child
under Subchapter D; or
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"No questions asked" means that they won't sit there asking you why they are abandoning the child.
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unforn if it warrents it yes, dunno whats worse taz or tackling, do you ?

maybe the state this incident occured in doesn't have a baby moses law? dunno.

"3. How does the law work?
Any parent may voluntarily deliver a child 60 days old or younger to a designated emergency infant care provider when the parent does not express an intent to return for the child. "

and the kid being dropped off was 1+ , so i doesn't apply anyways.
Not too many people dying as a result of being tackled. Close to 200 deaths by taser since it's first inception and that number is on the rise.

This happened in Ohio. The age limit is 3 days old in Ohio, not 60 days.
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but they didnt know she was pregnant till after they tazed her
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