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Old 12-03-2007, 10:31 AM   #121
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Actually, Sassy's was not the same year as mine, Cletus's is. here is a better comparison.

12. CubanGixxeR (2007 Gxsr 600) - 101.91 HP/ 42.11 Torque (Slip-on & Diablo mod)
13. Cletus (2007 Gxsr 600) - 99.28 HP/ 40.95 Torque ( 100% bone stock)

I was honestly a little dissapointed ... I was hoping to pull out 105 hp! ... but my air filter was clogged and not breathing right, not sure how much that affected it, but its replaced now, so we'll see next time.
prolly won't affect it too much since there was no ram air.
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Wes said I need a header...and a Power Commander...sheesh
ride the out of it as it is. as you know there is no replacement for displacement. 600's are very functional for what they are. If the hp bug has bitten you then step up to a 750.
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LETS POST THE LIST RIGHT!

We need to show the list by category ... cause just like popo was saying that a 1000 with spray is a whole other category than just a 1000, the same goes for a 1000 vs a 600! so here it is:

SS BIKES
1000CC +

1. PoPoRiderRR ( CBR 1000RR ) - 144.40 HP/ 72.14 Torque
2. BrutusTx ( Zx-10R ) - 144.11 HP/ 71.85 Torque
3. Redd4211 ( R1 ) - 142.98 HP/ 69.56 Torque
4. Caligonetx ( Busa 1300 ) - 142.63 HP/ 89.02 Torque
5. Shadman ( Busa 1300 ) - 136.20/ 93.3 Torque
6. Txoutlaw ( TL 1000 ) - 110.16 HP/ 64.04 Torque
7. Texlurch ( Bandit 1200 ) - 109.09 HP/ 73.20 Torque

750CC
1. Issani ( Gsxr 750 ) - 121.97 HP/ 51.54 Torque
2. Schmitty ( Gsxr 750 ) - 115.69 HP/ 52.69 Torque

600CC 636C
1. Gryphin ( ZX-6R-636 ) - 105.08 HP/ 42.31 Torque
2. CubanGixxeR ( Gxsr 600 ) - 101.91 HP/ 42.11 Torque
3. Cletus ( Gxsr 600 ) - 99.28 HP/ 40.95 Torque
4. Sassy Chassis ( Gxsr 600 ) - 96.04 HP/ 42.35 Torque
5. SpeedJunkie ( Zx-6R ) - 93.24 HP/ 40.07 Torque

OTHERS
1. Sassy Chassis ( Buell XB 1255 ) 86.26 HP/ 69.79 Torque
2. Warpbender ( DR 650 ) 35.93 HP/ 35.72 Torque`
3. 07VMAX ( Vmax ) - 104.78 HP/ 75.71 Torque
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+1, a full system on a 600 is a waste of money unless you're racing it IMO.

While you may pick up a 1-3 hp max hp over a stock header with a good slip on, you'll typically lose some mid range hp and torque, unfotunately right about the rpms you'll normally be riding on the street.

Most of the SS bikes produced in the last 3 years or so have very well designed stock headers that give really good performance when coupled with a good quality slip on.

With the money you save over a full sytem, you can buy a PCIII, a BMC air filter and some other tuning goodies.

There's also some fine tuning adjustments that need to be made to both the stock fuel control system and the PCIII.


I'll be modding a '07 GSXR600 soon for a customer; slip on, PCIII, BMC and a few other tuning tricks.

I'll dyno it this week stock and will dyno it again in a few weeks when he has the work done and post the charts.
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+1, a full system on a 600 is a waste of money unless you're racing it IMO.

While you may pick up a 1-3 hp max hp, over a stock header with a good slip on, you'll typically lose some mid range hp and torque, right about the rpms you'll normally be riding on the street.

Most of the SS bikes produced in the last 3 years or so have very well designed stock headers that give really good performance well when coupled with a good quality slip on.

With the money you save over a full sytem, you can buy a PCIII, a BMC air filter and some other tuning goodies.

There's also some fine tuning adjustments that need to be made to both the stock fuel control system and the PCIII.


I'll be modding a '07 GSXR600 soon for a customer; slip on, PCIII, BMC and a few other tuning tricks.

I'll dyno it this week stock and will dyno it again in a few weeks when he has the work done and post the charts.
Patrick, do you have a dyno at Motorcycles Unlimited? If so, what model? also why didn't they host the dyno day at Motorcycles Unlimited? Just curious as you seem WAY more knowledgeable then they guy over at POH........I'm just sayin.
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ride the out of it as it is. as you know there is no replacement for displacement. 600's are very functional for what they are. If the hp bug has bitten you then step up to a 750.
Umm yeah...that's what the gesture was for. My response was, "Let me learn how to ride the bike first!" Besides, what I lack in HP I make up for by being in the Strawweight Fighting Category Harrrrrrrrr!

Thankfully girls don't have penises to shrink up when they see their dyno charts
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Robbie, remember that 2nd place is just the 1st looser... lol
Yeah, but technically I only came second to a bigger bike! I came in 1st with-in the strait 600 group ... i was beat out by 36 more CC's!
(plus my air filter was clogged and not breathing right!)
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Umm yeah...that's what the gesture was for. My response was, "Let me learn how to ride the bike first!" Besides, what I lack in HP I make up for by being in the Strawweight Fighting Category Harrrrrrrrr!

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so what are the prizes for the best #'s in each class?
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so what are the prizes for the best #'s in each class?
a pat on the back!
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Patrick, do you have a dyno at Motorcycles Unlimited? If so, what model? also why didn't they host the dyno day at Motorcycles Unlimited? Just curious as you seem WAY more knowledgeable then they guy over at POH........I'm just sayin.
I don't have a dyno in-house at this time.
I have access to / use another shops dyno, it's a 250i and they have Tuning Link software as well if needed.


However, for MOST SS bikes produced in the last 3-4 years or so, that have slip ons and other bolt on goodies, a custom map will not net much gain.

Obviously there are exceptions, especially with the Busa and ZX14 when you radically change the exhaust, as well as some of the big twins.

I find most of the time I can install a PCIII, make some fine tuning adjustments on the bike, and tweak the map a little bit and it will have the same performace as a bike that's been "custom mapped".

What I'm currently really looking forward to working with is the new Bazzaz setup with an O2 sensor and real time self mapping capabilities!
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sweet........guess I better get some more tuning done before then...
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Patrick, Yeah the Bazazz setup will be killer once they get all the bugs worked out and it becomes more mainstream and model specific. Running closed loop all the time would definetly take the mapping part out of the equation....the problem is, engines don't always like the same AFR at all loads and rpms....thats why the Dyno jet tuning link software is kind of a joke. For instance when tuning my 1000 this weekend, at one point, it made peak tq at 3200 rpms with an AFR of 11.8-1......any leaner then that, we would lose serious tq. We actually gained 8hp and 8lbs of tq in that range by bringing the AFR down into that range....believe it or not. We found the same thing at other throttle %, like 20%/40% TP, it wanted more then the target 12.8-13.0 range.....it was weird but we gave it what it wanted and it made a very noticeable difference on the street.
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I agree with speedjunkie ... i think we should wait till the first week of jan to do the next one! Looking forward to it!
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[QUOTE=ZXALAN;876710]Patrick, Yeah the Bazazz setup will be killer once they get all the bugs worked out and it becomes more mainstream and model specific. Running closed loop all the time would definetly take the mapping part out of the equation....the problem is, engines don't always like the same AFR at all loads and rpms....[QUOTE]



EXACTLY!!
As I had posted much earlier in the thread, the "mythical" target A/F ratio is not always where an engine will make the best power or be the most driveable.
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