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Old 12-28-2007, 06:50 PM   #21
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FIM rules for SBK, which many countries follow to be a FIM sanction racing series, are very tight like Tom said... an example is the GSX1K we saw in 07... Biaggi rode with the stock-like twin pipes but Spies rode a single pipe... The single pipe is said to be more powerful than the twin pipe
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FIM rules for SBK, which many countries follow to be a FIM sanction racing series, are very tight like Tom said... an example is the GSX1K we saw in 07... Biaggi rode with the stock-like twin pipes but Spies rode a single pipe... The single pipe is said to be more powerful than the twin pipe
Well, like anything else, you can get power in so many different ways... the pros can get power out of two pipes or one, the engine would be built specifically and tuned to get the maximum output.

While a 4-2-1 or 4-1 exhaust may make xx hp on an engine, and a 4-2 exhaust on that same engine may make less, you can build and tune an engine that gives better hp for the 4-2 exhaust and less with the 4-2-1 or 4-1.

Engine specs are what they are, but professional tuners with years of experience and ability can do pretty much whatever they want with the stuff their given to work with.

That all said, I'm sure the AMA GSXR is making more hp than the WSBK GSXR is/ does- but the "superstock" rules for next year may make things a bit more even... if everyone plays by the rules and doesn't build cheater bike/ equipment.
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Well, like anything else, you can get power in so many different ways... the pros can get power out of two pipes or one, the engine would be built specifically and tuned to get the maximum output.

While a 4-2-1 or 4-1 exhaust may make xx hp on an engine, and a 4-2 exhaust on that same engine may make less, you can build and tune an engine that gives better hp for the 4-2 exhaust and less with the 4-2-1 or 4-1.

Engine specs are what they are, but professional tuners with years of experience and ability can do pretty much whatever they want with the stuff their given to work with.
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That's why I think a REALLY GOOD mechanic/engineer is an awesome thing. That understanding of the way stuff works is like magic to me.
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That understanding of the way stuff works is like magic to me.
+1, that's why I get so mystified by some of the guys that have the maddest of skillz with mechanics.
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I don't watch pro racing but if I did I think AMA would be what I watched. when you think about it when has a big name wsbk guy come over and whipped up on the ama. Or when has a moto-gp guy come over and won ama in his second year of riding it.
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Or when has a moto-gp guy come over and won ama in his second year of riding it.
Mat Mladin? AMA-MotoGP-AMA Champ several times over...

The thing is that nobody wants to go "down" a level (MotoGP "down" to AMA)...
'cept it seems that CEII is going to go "down" in '09.

I think Biaggi wouldn't have gone "down" to WSBK unless he just absolutely had to. Several guys that are former MotoGP in WSBK too.
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Mat Mladin? AMA-MotoGP-AMA Champ several times over...

The thing is that nobody wants to go "down" a level (MotoGP "down" to AMA)...
'cept it seems that CEII is going to go "down" in '09.

I think Biaggi wouldn't have gone "down" to WSBK unless he just absolutely had to. Several guys that are former MotoGP in WSBK too.
Mat came back because the team he and Doug were on was and they weren't paying him. If he would have had a real bike I think he would have cleaned up in Moto-gp. The guys that did ok in WSBK come over here and they may make it up to 4 or 5. At least that is where the last champ made it. They change the rules in World because the ama guys were so much faster when they raced the same track so now they can say we have spec tires and a diff crank and that is why we are slow.
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Mat came back because the team he and Doug were on was and they weren't paying him. If he would have had a real bike I think he would have cleaned up in Moto-gp. The guys that did ok in WSBK come over here and they may make it up to 4 or 5. At least that is where the last champ made it. They change the rules in World because the ama guys were so much faster when they raced the same track so now they can say we have spec tires and a diff crank and that is why we are slow.
Hodson didn't do toooooo bad in AMA, but I think he could've done better if he'd had a better/ more competitive bike. We'll see how he does on the Honduh next year.

I think that if Mat was "all that" someone would have snapped him up when he was in MotoGP.

We'll never know now anyway, but I hope CEII comes in and kicks the out of everyone on an "inferior" bike.
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