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Old 11-27-2007, 11:36 AM   #121
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Look it up. Tell me what you find. They are the oldest documentations of the Hebrew bible. The first bible.
The dead sea scrolls are the gospel according to St. Thomas. They were discovered too late to make it into the bible by 400 AD so they don't count. It was that convention that sealed the bible for all times at 66 books (Catholic) and 72 (Protestent).

Where do you get the translated into bible part?
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I see, so it's all just a conspiracy? So now history books have it all wrong too and should be tossed out along with science books containing evolution?
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I agree, I know Christians couldn't have stole from the Pagans. My reference is maybe the history of Pagan traditions were written later on, and could have been put in place to discredit Christianity. I dunno, just speculation. I never thought you took me as thinking Christianity had traditions taken by Pagans.
pagans wrote about their traditions before there were jews

which were WAY before jesus, which was way before christians



its been carbon dated
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My reference is maybe the history of Pagan traditions were written later on, and could have been put in place to discredit Christianity. I dunno, just speculation.
I believe Pagan traditions were more passed down than actually written down unless later in history books.

Why would these traditions be put in place to discredit Christianity? The Christians converted the Pagans, why would this need to be discredited?

I just don't understand why it is so hard to admit. It is the same in lots of regions of the world today where Christianity took place instead of old traditions but often locals integrated these traditions into their Christian worship. This happens in Africa, South America and Asian regions.
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The dead sea scrolls are the gospel according to St. Thomas. They were discovered too late to make it into the bible by 400 AD so they don't count. It was that convention that sealed the bible for all times at 66 books (Catholic) and 72 (Protestent).

Where do you get the translated into bible part?
see this is what i like

he believes in his religion, AND he knows all his facts
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The dead sea scrolls are the gospel according to St. Thomas. They were discovered too late to make it into the bible by 400 AD so they don't count. It was that convention that sealed the bible for all times at 66 books (Catholic) and 72 (Protestent).

Where do you get the translated into bible part?
According to carbon dating, textual analysis, and handwriting analysis the documents were written at various times between the middle of the 2nd century BC and the 1st century AD.

Before the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, the oldest Hebrew manuscripts of the Bible were Masoretic texts dating to 9th century. The biblical manuscripts found among the Dead Sea Scrolls push that date back to the 2nd century BC. Before the discovery, the oldest Greek manuscripts such as Codex Vaticanus and Codex Sinaiticus were the earliest extant versions of biblical manuscripts. Although some of the biblical manuscripts found at Qumran differ significantly from the Masoretic text, most do not. The scrolls thus provide new variants and the ability to be more confident of those readings where the Dead Sea manuscripts agree with the Masoretic text or with the early Greek manuscripts.
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Where do you get the translated into bible part?

Maybe it is in one of the newer Bibles. I believe Moody collects them.
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I believe Pagan traditions were more passed down than actually written down unless later in history books.

Why would these traditions be put in place to discredit Christianity? The Christians converted the Pagans, why would this need to be discredited?

I just don't understand why it is so hard to admit. It is the same in lots of regions of the world today where Christianity took place instead of old traditions but often locals integrated these traditions into their Christian worship. This happens in Africa, South America and Asian regions.
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+1!

There are false information in text books.

Here is one very well known example:
Christopher Columbus found America.

When something is told so much, it becomes fact and science is just theory.
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According to carbon dating, textual analysis, and handwriting analysis the documents were written at various times between the middle of the 2nd century BC and the 1st century AD.


You're not supposed to believe in carbon dating.. silly.
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There are false information in text books.

Here is one very well known example:
Christopher Columbus found America.

When something is told so much, it becomes fact and science is just theory.



He didnt????
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You can't really look at things based on Pegans vs Christians, etc.
The year, and what was recorded pre-christianity was based on celestrial events. Egyptian, Roman, Gentile, they were all based on what they saw in the sky. Don't forget about the three wise men that followed the star.

Anyway, our current calandar is based with Easter as the start and end of the year. The Soliste fall into place as the starting and ending points for this. The Mayans saw it, the Egyptians saw it. The Roman and the Celtics of ancient Europe saw and all built they temples (holy places) accordingly. , we even designed one of the math builds at MIT to light an entire hallways once a year with the setting sun during on Spring equinox.

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There are false information in text books.

Here is one very well known example:
Christopher Columbus found America.

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Duh. You can't find what wasn't lost. There were people here already.
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I see, so it's all just a conspiracy? So now history books have it all wrong too and should be tossed out along with science books containing evolution?
Why not teach the "theory" of in school? Why not make it manditory?
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I believe Pagan traditions were more passed down than actually written down unless later in history books.

Why would these traditions be put in place to discredit Christianity? The Christians converted the Pagans, why would this need to be discredited?

I just don't understand why it is so hard to admit. It is the same in lots of regions of the world today where Christianity took place instead of old traditions but often locals integrated these traditions into their Christian worship. This happens in Africa, South America and Asian regions.
Its not a matter of admitting it. I'm not saying it didn't happen, which I say in a previous post, I'm not saying it did happen. But it seems like it is used as a defense to discredit Christianity. Which many writings that were passed down could be misinterpreted to use against Christianity. Thats all I'm saying. If everything that was passed down and written into a book was fact, there would be no dispute on whether or not is real. Being in a book doesn't make it a fact is all i'm saying.
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I'M JUST SAYING!!!
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There are false information in text books.

Here is one very well known example:
Christopher Columbus found America.

When something is told so much, it becomes fact and science is just theory.
your a goober

christopher columbus found america for the easten world

he discovered it for the modern world

the text book talks about indians and aztec mexicans, so obviously they were here.

my history text also talk about the vikings finding some "northern" western territory. but they have no idea what they found, nor did they feel the need to explore
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