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Old 11-28-2007, 09:44 AM   #341
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really...if the christian faith is so strong with the belied there is only 1 why does christianity have so many different sects? see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._denominations


Seems to me there should only be 1 united christian church if you all believe the same thing. That fact is there are so many sects because everyone interpits the bible a little different than the next guys so he starts his own "church" to mass fellow followers of the same mind set.

I'll be honest and say that I can't answer this. I know that there will be false prophets as said in Matthew 7:13-15

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

The biggest rift between sects in Christianity is the salvation by grace, or salvation by works argument. Regardless of the other differences, this by far is the biggest problem.
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I'll be honest and say that I can't answer this. I know that there will be false prophets as said in Matthew 7:13-15

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

The biggest rift between sects in Christianity is the salvation by grace, or salvation by works argument. Regardless of the other differences, this by far is the biggest problem.
I understand that...how do you know you are following the "proper" sect of christianity? My view point is...you are...because you believe in your that is all that matters...no matter what form he/she takes in your mind.
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"we need to articulate our faith intelligently and biblically."

That always seems to be the problem.

I don;t know about biblically, but definitely articulate and intelligent. I.E. Gixxerbill
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I understand that...how do you know you are following the "proper" sect of christianity? My view point is...you are...because you believe in your that is all that matters...no matter what form he/she takes in your mind.


Well I can read and discern for myself for one. When interpreting scripture you are supposed to check scripture against itself, and read it in context. I look at Ephesians 2:8,9 and read this.


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of :

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

This tells me exactly what it reads. We're saved by grace through faith. Not by works. Others can read this.

James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

That sounds like works is a requirement of salvation, right?

But if you back up two verses and read the whole thing in context, you get.


James 2:18
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

True Christians are saved by Grace, through faith in Jesus Christ - the works come afterwards because of the inward change that Christ brings.
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"we need to articulate our faith intelligently and biblically."

That always seems to be the problem.

I don;t know about biblically, but definitely articulate and intelligent. I.E. Gixxerbill

I agree 100% with the underlined point. All questions should be answered with the Word of . I guarantee you 100% that I will screw it up trying to witness and answer questions in my own power.

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I agree 100% with the underlined point. All questions should be answered with the Word of . I guarantee you 100% that I will screw it up trying to witness and answer questions in my own power.

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true if both parties believe in the bible as a base line for discussion
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I agree 100% with the underlined point. All questions should be answered with the Word of . I guarantee you 100% that I will screw it up trying to witness and answer questions in my own power.

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well I am not here to questions any one's faith. I applaud any person that stands up for what they believe in...even if it may be a different view point of my own...the main point to this thread was the question of every non christian being a hypocrite for celebrating christmas.
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Well I can read and discern for myself for one. When interpreting scripture you are supposed to check scripture against itself, and read it in context. I look at Ephesians 2:8,9 and read this.


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of :

Not of works, lest any man should boast.

This tells me exactly what it reads. We're saved by grace through faith. Not by works. Others can read this.

James 2:20
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

That sounds like works is a requirement of salvation, right?

But if you back up two verses and read the whole thing in context, you get.


James 2:18
Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

True Christians are saved by Grace, through faith in Jesus Christ - the works come afterwards because of the inward change that Christ brings.
Personally i think it is perfectly designed and scripted to confuse, and therefore creating a necessity for "translators" in this case priests and the church. It is a self supporting structure consentrating on self survival.
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true if both parties believe in the bible as a base line for discussion

If all that I believe in comes from the Bible, then its the Bible I need to quote. If I'm out witnessing to someone and carrying on a productive conversation, I'm not going to pull out the 2005 Maintenance and repair manual for a YZF-R6 to try and win them to Christ. I'm going to use what is relevant to the material I'm presenting.

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Personally i think it is perfectly designed and scripted to confuse, and therefore creating a necessity for "translators" in this case priests and the church. It is a self supporting structure consentrating on self survival.
1 Corinthians 14:33 For is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

You know, I can read an encylopedia and intentionally misinterpret the content. I can read a manual, or code book at work and read into something and get it totally wrong. It happens all the time.

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well I am not here to questions any one's faith. I applaud any person that stands up for what they believe in...even if it may be a different view point of my own...the main point to this thread was the question of every non christian being a hypocrite for celebrating christmas.

I really appreciate the respectful and well thought out discussion that we've had. Thank you for the chat.

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I really appreciate the respectful and well thought out discussion that we've had. Thank you for the chat.

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thank you...i love intelligent discussions...it keeps the mind sharp.
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If all that I believe in comes from the Bible, then its the Bible I need to quote. If I'm out witnessing to someone and carrying on a productive conversation, I'm not going to pull out the 2005 Maintenance and repair manual for a YZF-R6 to try and win them to Christ. I'm going to use what is relevant to the material I'm presenting.

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you totally miss the point, not everyone is you and not eveyone believes in the bible. How you going to witness to those or do you just discount those people cause you cant read a scripture to them and them believe?
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1 Corinthians 14:33 For is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

is not the author

This is actually the part that I believe.

The bible is the word of , fine. But it was written by man. I just can't understand how one can so blindly follow scripture that was written by man.

I'm not trying to insult. Not at all.

It's just that MAN is falluable (can't spell). MAN, regardless of how well intending he might be, ALWAYS has personal agendas. And THAT is what you are following.
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you totally miss the point, not everyone is you and not eveyone believes in the bible. How you going to witness to those or do you just discount those people cause you cant read a scripture to them and them believe?

I stand on this verse.

Isaiah 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

This is speaking of 's word in his Bible.

Lets set roles here. I personally do not have the power to save anyone. I, by being obedient to Christ's command, am taking the gospel to the "world". That gospel is located in the Bible. If I'm speaking to someone about the Lord, I'm going to quote scripture and carry on a conversation in that manner. It is up the the Holy Spirit, and the Power of the Word to do his job on that person's heart. It may not even be that day, or a week, or a year! Rest assured though, that a seed was planted.

When people try to witness using their own vain speech, and strength - they'll fail every time.
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is not the author

This is actually the part that I believe.

The bible is the word of , fine. But it was written by man. I just can't understand how one can so blindly follow scripture that was written by man.

I'm not trying to insult. Not at all.

It's just that MAN is falluable (can't spell). MAN, regardless of how well intending he might be, ALWAYS has personal agendas. And THAT is what you are following.
You're right - didn't physically write it, He inspired it....

2 Tim. 3:16-17 says, "All Scripture is inspired by and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17 that the man of may be adequate, equipped for every good work."

and this

2 Pet. 1:21, "for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from ."
(my emphasis added)

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I stand on this verse.

Isaiah 55:11
So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

This is speaking of 's word in his Bible.

Lets set roles here. I personally do not have the power to save anyone. I, by being obedient to Christ's command, am taking the gospel to the "world". That gospel is located in the Bible. If I'm speaking to someone about the Lord, I'm going to quote scripture and carry on a conversation in that manner. It is up the the Holy Spirit, and the Power of the Word to do his job on that person's heart. It may not even be that day, or a week, or a year! Rest assured though, that a seed was planted.

When people try to witness using their own vain speech, and strength - they'll fail every time.

gotcha you dont take into account the other persons background
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gotcha you dont take into account the other persons background
Well yeah, I'll ask them right out. "Do you have a Christian background?" or "Do you go to church?" If no, I'll take the appropriate approach. If they say they don't believe in , then we'll visit ( if they're willing ) a few verses that I believe support his existance ( nevermind that its HIS book were reading ). I trust in the Holy Spirit to lead me when witnessing to someone, and I'm NEVER disrespectful - there's no faster way to turn someone off, and to have them walk away.

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well I am not here to questions any one's faith. I applaud any person that stands up for what they believe in...even if it may be a different view point of my own...the main point to this thread was the question of every non christian being a hypocrite for celebrating christmas.
I guess i fall here, as im atheist and celebrate christmas. however, i celebrate it merely for family. I do not want my entire family to know i do not believe in christ. I use this time to celebrate the fact that i have a family and loved ones who i care for, and who care for me.
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