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Old 11-27-2007, 10:26 PM   #321
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christmas is just another marketing scheme to me. Just like valentine, easter, brithdays, etc, etc.

Even though the holiday might have 'Christian' backgrounds, i doubt anyone thinks 'For the birth of Jesus Christ!!!' when they're buying their kids a $400dollar ps3 this christmas.
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To the Bible Believing Christian - IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER. I celebrate the Birth of Jesus - The world can do whatever it wants.

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That is where you guys don't get the point. We don't care IF they came from Pagan traditions or not. We don't have a documented date of Jesus' birthday. If the church decided that was a good day, I'm ok with that. Pagan or not, Christmas is still a CHRISTIAN holiday no matter how you slice it. It wasn't called Christmas before Christians adopted it.
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That is where you guys don't get the point. We don't care IF they came from Pagan traditions or not. We don't have a documented date of Jesus' birthday. If the church decided that was a good day, I'm ok with that. Pagan or not, Christmas is still a CHRISTIAN holiday no matter how you slice it. It wasn't called Christmas before Christians adopted it.
:/: i guess thats where im not ok with it. but thats just me.
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That is where you guys don't get the point. We don't care IF they came from Pagan traditions or not. We don't have a documented date of Jesus' birthday. If the church decided that was a good day, I'm ok with that. Pagan or not, Christmas is still a CHRISTIAN holiday no matter how you slice it. It wasn't called Christmas before Christians adopted it.

the churh did not decide it...constatine did. I understand what you guys points are though...always have. I'm just pointing out that there is more that meets the eye when it comes to traditions that christians call there own...that FACT is that they are shared by many non christian religions and were around long before there was a such thing as christianity. this was the original post...So how many of you celebrate Christmas? Exchange gifts? And why do you do that?

I have only met one aethiest person in my life that was TRULY aethiest. He did not celebrate Christmas, Halloween, Easter, or new years since they are all CHRISTIAN holidays. There was not any gift giving, decorations, or anything representing these holidays in his life.

So how many of you are hypocrites and celebrate these CHRISTIAN holidays anyways?...


we cannot be hypocrites if these hoildays are not christian specific holidays...get defensive all you want this first post threw the first insult out there with out the knowledge of history.
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I'm not trying to talk you guys out of your religion...I could care less what other people worship...to each his own...but that is where muslims and christians are similar...they believe that all those who do not worship their is doomed...how about being a little open minded and take into consideration that MAYBE there is only 1 with many faces.
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the churh did not decide it...constatine did. I understand what you guys points are though...always have. I'm just pointing out that there is more that meets the eye when it comes to traditions that christians call there own...that FACT is that they are shared by many non christian religions and were around long before there was a such thing as christianity. this was the original post...So how many of you celebrate Christmas? Exchange gifts? And why do you do that?

I have only met one aethiest person in my life that was TRULY aethiest. He did not celebrate Christmas, Halloween, Easter, or new years since they are all CHRISTIAN holidays. There was not any gift giving, decorations, or anything representing these holidays in his life.

So how many of you are hypocrites and celebrate these CHRISTIAN holidays anyways?...


we cannot be hypocrites if these hoildays are not christian specific holidays...get defensive all you want this first post threw the first insult out there with out the knowledge of history.

Maybe you could look at it this way. How many of you celebrate Christmas - as in name - but aren't Christian? What about Easter? If you don't believe in the of the Bible, then why not call them something else? I believe that is what the OP's question was. He didn't ask who celebrated the Christian day of December 25th. If you want to worship a rock on that day, thats fine - but don't call it Christmas.


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I'm not trying to talk you guys out of your religion...I could care less what other people worship...to each his own...but that is where muslims and christians are similar...they believe that all those who do not worship their is doomed...how about being a little open minded and take into consideration that MAYBE there is only 1 with many faces.

Christianity by its very definition flies in the face of this. I cannot be a follower of Christ and entertain the idea that may not be who he says he is in his word. Sorry.

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Maybe you could look at it this way. How many of you celebrate Christmas - as in name - but aren't Christian? What about Easter? If you don't believe in the of the Bible, then why not call them something else? I believe that is what the OP's question was. He didn't ask who celebrated the Christian day of December 25th. If you want to worship a rock on that day, thats fine - but don't call it Christmas.


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I can see that point of view...let me ask you this...have you ever used the phrase "yule tide greetings"? How many burn a yule log? those are pagan based celebrations for the corrisponding time of year. you in modern times celebrate the birth of man the that wasn't born in december...you celebrate it because constatine said he wanted this date to be named christmas. That is why we all celebrate christmas on dec.25th. All these
"holidays" have other names...samhain is halloween, yule followed winter solstice and "easter" is the pagan spring equinox etc...You guys don't get me wrong...I am not trying to demean christianity for you but just trying to let you know that christianity is not the end all be all in religion.
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Maybe you could look at it this way. How many of you celebrate Christmas - as in name - but aren't Christian? What about Easter? If you don't believe in the of the Bible, then why not call them something else?
Some people do call it something else.

The problem is what a few folks here already mentioned. Christmas is less the celebration of Jesus' birth these days but a cultural phenoma. How many people go to church on Christmas? Not that many. Most are out buying gifts and planning family get-togethers. Whether you want to celebrate Christmas because you are a Christian or not, you are drawn into the cultural trend this time of the season. You are bombarded with 'Merry Christmas', you hear Christmas songs on the radio, you receive Christmas cards, you know certain folks will buy you gifts.

I think most people celebrate Christmas not because they want to celebrate Jesus' birth but simply because it is politically correct.
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Christianity by its very definition flies in the face of this. I cannot be a follower of Christ and entertain the idea that may not be who he says he is in his word. Sorry.

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really...if the christian faith is so strong with the belied there is only 1 why does christianity have so many different sects? see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._denominations


Seems to me there should only be 1 united christian church if you all believe the same thing. That fact is there are so many sects because everyone interpits the bible a little different than the next guys so he starts his own "church" to mass fellow followers of the same mind set.
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I can see that point of view...let me ask you this...have you ever used the phrase "yule tide greetings"? How many burn a yule log? those are pagan based celebrations for the corrisponding time of year. you in modern times celebrate the birth of man the that wasn't born in december...you celebrate it because constatine said he wanted this date to be named christmas. That is why we all celebrate christmas on dec.25th. All these
"holidays" have other names...samhain is halloween, yule followed winter solstice and "easter" is the pagan spring equinox etc...You guys don't get me wrong...I am not trying to demean christianity for you but just trying to let you know that christianity is not the end all be all in religion.

I've heard of the Yule tide deal, but TBH I don't know much, if anything about it. I don't use those terms though, or the term "xmas", or "Holiday Season."


As far as your last statement is concerned, I cannot accept that for myself. Jesus Christ is my all in all.

Question for you though. You're speaking of other gods and such, I take it to mean you are atleast spiritual in a sense? That you believe in beings with godlike properties, etc..?

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I've heard of the Yule tide deal, but TBH I don't know much, if anything about it. I don't use those terms though, or the term "xmas", or "Holiday Season."


As far as your last statement is concerned, I cannot accept that for myself. Jesus Christ is my all in all.

Question for you though. You're speaking of other gods and such, I take it to mean you are atleast spiritual in a sense? That you believe in beings with godlike properties, etc..?

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I believe there is something waiting for us...wether or not we stay on the other side or get reincarnated I guess is up to who ever controls existance on the "other" side.
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for those who don't know about yule and such...read up...there is nothing wrong with a little knowledge. Like the saying goes...knowledge is power. It will not make you any less faithful to your of choosing. It will only help futher your debating skills if you have a knowledge of historical events.
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if were real, in my eyes he would be nothing more than a being of some sort. Albeit, maybe a much more advanced and greater being than that of man, but a being of this universe/or multiverse nonetheless.
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if were real, in my eyes he would be nothing more than a being of some sort. Albeit, maybe a much more advanced and greater being than that of man, but a being of this universe/or multiverse nonetheless.

There are theories that we are the puppets of some aliens who are experimenting. I think the folks who get abducted by aliens support this theory.
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