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Old 11-27-2007, 12:34 PM   #201
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Some type of scientific evidence that backs up one of the supernatural happenings in the bible. Still not "proof" it happened. But it supports it at least.

And I think it is true that Christians dissmiss scientific facts because it isn't explained, or does not support our bible.
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You make a lot of claims against science, but you aren't disputing the actual evidence. You're dismissing things based on your beliefs.


Go watch it. Seriously, it might help.
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Disputing what evidence? I don't think I need to tell you something you already know. I know the chain of events for the evolution of humans to apes and the chain of event in from the bacteria. My point is that even know we can prove that certain species exist, the chain of events is still a little iffy and it is whats called a theory.
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I am not arguing agaisnt peoples beliefs. I am stating that a lot of science is not fact either.
no you stated SOME of science is not fact.


a lot of science is fact, id say a good 99.8%

think of what is science, everything from the engine in your car, to fusion, to bombs, to plastics, rocks, lava, plants, carbons, minerals, gravity, etc
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Old 11-27-2007, 12:36 PM   #204
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I agree with you 100% on that. I am providing comparisons on religion and science. They are the same. Well except for what chemicals we use, gravity, and things like social darwinism.

Religion and science are not the same. You have totally jumped the shark now. lol
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Disputing what evidence? I don't think I need to tell you something you already know. I know the chain of events for the evolution of humans to apes and the chain of event in from the bacteria. My point is that even know we can prove that certain species exist, the chain of events is still a little iffy and it is whats called a theory.
a theory based on FACTS

there is not theory of based on facts, its about faith and beliefs
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I am not arguing agaisnt peoples beliefs. I am stating that a lot of science is not fact either.
Science is something people can explain, duplicate, build theories on and that one can put their hands on.

A belief is an opinion.

Unless you are outstanding at pursuading, making people believe in your opinion will always be a tough task and in the end, depends on the person you are trying to convince.
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no you stated SOME of science is not fact.


a lot of science is fact, id say a good 99.8%

think of what is science, everything from the engine in your car, to fusion, to bombs, to plastics, rocks, lava, plants, carbons, minerals, gravity, etc

I am not talking about all science, I am talking about scientific theories that people accept as FACT. Not gravity, as I stated before.
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Science is something people can explain, duplicate, build theories on and that one can put their hands on.

A belief is an opinion.

Unless you are outstanding at pursuading, making people believe in your opinion will always be a tough task and in the end, depends on the person you are trying to convince.
That is exactly my point! It is what your are pursuaded to believe.
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Disputing what evidence? I don't think I need to tell you something you already know. I know the chain of events for the evolution of humans to apes and the chain of event in from the bacteria. My point is that even know we can prove that certain species exist, the chain of events is still a little iffy and it is whats called a theory.

Watch the video. It's not an evolution video per se. It's about the trial in Dover, PA where they were trying to get Intelligent Design taught in the science class. It does an excellent job of showing the difference between science and religion and yes, it also shows just how strong the evidence is for evolution.

I mean, the conservative judge was appointed by GW Bush and he 'got it'.
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I am not talking about all science, I am talking about scientific theories that people accept as FACT. Not gravity, as I stated before.
no one excepts the moon theories as fact, that link you gave me showed me three that could be possible answers
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theres skeletons in museums

carbon dating

dna similarities
still doesnt prove with out a shread of doubt that its true, further more everyone of your post has been only based on tangible evidence makeing my other simple post that much more evident.
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Religion and science are not the same. You have totally jumped the shark now. lol
You believe in the scientific evolution theory?
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still doesnt prove with out a shread of doubt that its true, further more everyone of your post has been only based on tangible evidence makeing my other simple post that much more evident.
thats why its the THEORY of evolution

not the FACT of evolution
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That is exactly my point! It is what your are pursuaded to believe.
And a lot more people are easier pursuaded to believe in numbers, pictures, and things that can be explained that way than what people interpreted more than a thousand years ago and wrote down to be put together in a single book.
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Yes there are skeletons in a museum, as a matter of fact Lucy is here in Houston and I think is already up for display. My point is while we have seen the different species and timing might proof that this might have learned to walk up a little straighter does not mean that they were descended. And just because we are at about a 2% difference in DNA with an African Ape does not mean the same thing also, it just helps with the theory.
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True, and that is where FAITH comes in. But you are right.
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thats why its the THEORY of evolution

not the FACT of evolution
This my argument I am saying that even though people BELIEVE in it, does not make it FACT, yet we are still taught them so much that people consider this fact. It is just like believing in a diety (better word to use). Even though there is some instances that he may have existed because of the little evidence proven people either believe of they don't. It is what you are pursuaded to believe.
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Yes there are skeletons in a museum, as a matter of fact Lucy is here in Houston and I think is already up for display. My point is while we have seen the different species and timing might proof that this might have learned to walk up a little straighter does not mean that they were descended. And just because we are at about a 2% difference in DNA with an African Ape does not mean the same thing also, it just helps with the theory.

the farthest decendant is little more then 2%
then the next is probably around 1.5%
then its more like 1% etc etc


thats why its a theory.

its taught AS a theory



is taught as FACT in ceremonies baised on no evidence
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True, and that is where FAITH comes in. But you are right.
Yea, but I am not even arguing faith because it means nothing to an athiest. No offence anyone.
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