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Old 11-20-2007, 03:40 AM   #21
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Thanks again for your input guys.

Here's another for you:
Looking through some of the US M/C Performance enhancing websites, I note a number of suspension names that I'm not overly familiar with.
What is the favoured "brand" amongst you Texas club racers ??
Why ??
and what do you run ?? (sorry if that's a "rude" question, we tend to be quite open about that sort of thing here in the UK, at club level anyway !)
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Ohlins...Ohlins & Ohlins

A huge number of racers use Traxxion AK20's up front and Penske rear shocks.

Both work great, I guess it comes down to who services what in a certain area. Patrick at Motorcycles Unlimited has built all of my suspensions using Ohlins products and I can't say enough good things about them.

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I prefer Ohlins and Race Tech, but there are a lot of good products from Penske, Works Performance and a lot of other brands.

In the end it truly comes down to tuner preference.
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Hi there,
Any help in answering the following questions is very much appreciated.
Have a look at my intro “Rookie member, be gentle……” if you’re curious about why I’m asking.
I know I could probably source some of the required info myself from relevant web sites but I much prefer talking/listening to people who have done it/are doing it themselves.

1) Is a US motorcycle licence required to do trackdays in Texas??
2) Is a UK (United Kingdom, England) licence acceptable??
3) Is track insurance compulsory in Texas??
4) Is track insurance available to international visitors??
5) Are bikes noise tested in Texas as they are at several tracks in the UK (105 db)??
6) Is your bike scrutineered before trackdays or is the preparation down by the participant??
7) In the UK we generally follow a pattern of having 3 groups at a trackday, novice, intermediate and advanced. Is this the same in Texas??
8) Each group does about 20 mins on track subject to stoppages before rotatating to the next group and so on. Is this the same or is it an open pit??
9) Are marshals present on trackdays as they are in the UK??
10) Who am I most likely to meet at a Houston trackday, the rider who says “Hey, you look like your struggling a bit through turn three, come out with me after lunch and I’ll try and show you a good line through there !” or “Hey, you look like your struggling a bit through turn three, what ? your running 31psi in your front Pirelli, no way man you should be running 31.35, you see the Pirelli SuperCorsa Diablo has a triple laminate cross weave multi layered diamond construction carcase blah blah blah blah blah” ???????

I really hope you can help with some of these.
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What is the favoured "brand" amongst you Texas club racers ??
Probably the most favored tuner/ builder is Jim Cambora of Raceworx. He's located in Cresson, which is a "fer piece" (TX lingo for "long way away")- about 4 hours. Hands down favorite and most successful right now in CMRA.

I prefer to "spread the wealth" locally, with some trusted advisers. I have Andy at Metric Cycles build my suspension parts (Ohlins shock, Racetech forks with custom valving), and I have Patrick do the tuning at the track (or Brandon, whichever is there at the time). Patrick and Brandon have always gotten my suspension dialed in juuuuuust right when I was thinking that I couldn't recover from issues!

Patrick also does a bang-up job of building suspension, is a parts magnate, and will help you with advice for the track as he has been a racer for many years and works by sponsoring racers in our local series.

My $.02? Can't go wrong with Motorcycles Unlimited, or Metric Motorcycles (in the Heights) locally.
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Why ??
I think I covered that up there, but just to re-itterate, "Jimmy C" (Raceworx) is definitely a superb builder and tuner. He works with all the fastest guys in the paddock, as well as the slowest. Great guy too. I just prefer to spend my money locally, Andy is an excellent builder, Patrick is an excellent tuner, neither have ever let me down, and I like to keep my money with the folks that support us locally.
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and what do you run ?? (sorry if that's a "rude" question, we tend to be quite open about that sort of thing here in the UK, at club level anyway !)
Many thanks in anticipation
Ohlins shock, Racetech forks. I stay away from GMD Computrack. I had some GMD forks and didn't like them at all.
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Probably the most favored tuner/ builder is Jim Cambora of Raceworx. He's located in Cresson, which is a "fer piece" (TX lingo for "long way away")- about 4 hours. Hands down favorite and most successful right now in CMRA.

I prefer to "spread the wealth" locally, with some trusted advisers. I have Andy at Metric Cycles build my suspension parts (Ohlins shock, Racetech forks with custom valving), and I have Patrick do the tuning at the track (or Brandon, whichever is there at the time). Patrick and Brandon have always gotten my suspension dialed in juuuuuust right when I was thinking that I couldn't recover from issues!

Patrick also does a bang-up job of building suspension, is a parts magnate, and will help you with advice for the track as he has been a racer for many years and works by sponsoring racers in our local series.

My $.02? Can't go wrong with Motorcycles Unlimited, or Metric Motorcycles (in the Heights) locally.

I think I covered that up there, but just to re-itterate, "Jimmy C" (Raceworx) is definitely a superb builder and tuner. He works with all the fastest guys in the paddock, as well as the slowest. Great guy too. I just prefer to spend my money locally, Andy is an excellent builder, Patrick is an excellent tuner, neither have ever let me down, and I like to keep my money with the folks that support us locally.

Ohlins shock, Racetech forks. I stay away from GMD Computrack. I had some GMD forks and didn't like them at all.
Nice one tomLSTD, I've just printed that baby out and stuck it to my passport. Thanks
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Would love more input on this if anyone else has the time. Cheers.

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Would love more input on this if anyone else has the time. Cheers.


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ohlins ohlins ohlins....

why? what brand of suspension do you see on the grids at national and world level racing?

OHLINS (or Showa, but we don't get the good showa stuff over here).....even factory bikes with factory upgrades.....the FACTORY even upgrades with Ohlins. Do you see a ducati "S" model with a penske shock or traxxion forks on them?

I run ohlins on my bike. Before that i ran racetech valving.

If you want to get more in detail as to why....i can try and explain further.
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btw, no offense to the ak20/penske boys.....

i'm sure it's a GREAT setup as well.....but i think what makes it great is the tuner, not so much the product.
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honestly, i run mine stock but thats only because 1. IM CHEAP 2. it works perfect for me (my style and weight) I have M-U adjust when needed and leave it alone. It fits me perfect.

I like the idea of being able to adjust to any suspension feels as i may ride a few different bikes throughout a day at the track. I race a small bike that isn't set for my weight at all, it's set for a rider that is about 30-40 lbs heavier than what i weigh, i like to adapt. plus, did i mention that i'm CHEAP
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btw, no offense to the ak20/penske boys.....

i'm sure it's a GREAT setup as well.....but i think what makes it great is the tuner, not so much the product.
Exactly, and the relationship the tuner has with the manufacturer.
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Exactly, and the relationship the tuner has with the manufacturer.
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Any specific ?s... Most of the guys have touched on everything.
Not really mate,
I'm just trying to get a feel for what the average Texan club racer/trackrider uses because most (not all) club riders I know, by a process of trial and error, use stuff that works and is good value for money.
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OK if your going to race and have Jim Cambora build the suspension and tune the suspension. You will want to go with Traxxion AK20's up front and Penske rear shock. He can tune it like no other.

IF your planning on working with someone locally I'd give Patrick a call. Ohlins Cartridges up front with a Ohlins rear.

There are drawbacks to each. Patrick does not have as big of a presence at the track, so setup maybe somewhat of an issue. This really only applies to the guys that are running top5 expert. If your running as a novice you should be able to get the bike pretty close beforehand.
The main drawback to Jimmy is, well everyone uses him. Yes he is great, yes he is a good person (I know him pretty good). BUT he is massively spread thin (the joke will be clearer when you see him) He can only do so much, and yes pretty much all of the fast guys use him.

If your racing as a novice, I would go with someone local as they will be much more assessible. If your moving to the Dallas area by all means look up Jimmy. I would put full faith in any of these two guys to build my bike.

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OK if your going to race and have Jim Cambora build the suspension and tune the suspension. You will want to go with Traxxion AK20's up front and Penske rear shock. He can tune it like no other.

IF your planning on working with someone locally I'd give Patrick a call. Ohlins Cartridges up front with a Ohlins rear.

There are drawbacks to each. Patrick does not have as big of a presence at the track, so setup maybe somewhat of an issue. This really only applies to the guys that are running top5 expert. If your running as a novice you should be able to get the bike pretty close beforehand.
The main drawback to Jimmy is, well everyone uses him. Yes he is great, yes he is a good person (I know him pretty good). BUT he is massively spread thin (the joke will be clearer when you see him) He can only do so much, and yes pretty much all of the fast guys use him.

If your racing as a novice, I would go with someone local as they will be much more assessible. If your moving to the Dallas area by all means look up Jimmy. I would put full faith in any of these two guys to build my bike.

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I feel like I’m getting a proper education with posts like that. Thankyou.

Incidentally this years British MRO 600 SuperSport championship was dominated by two riders who both “wore” White Power !!
However, it has to be said that the level of suspension backup and service they received was not generally reflective of the “average” club racer.

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lol Cheap is good

Ok, so you have the bike,
You have the tyres
And you have your suspension
Now you want a full race exhaust system, a high flow air filter and a mapping device to get the most from a stock engine.
Where do you guys go to get it set up on a Dyno ?? Who would you recommend ??
I’m not interested in peak power claims,
I’d want a nice smooth torquey (relative!) power delivery with little or no flat spots.
As always I thankyou all for your input.
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