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Old 11-19-2007, 08:38 AM   #81
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real cheap ....i'm gonna GET ME SOME YLUM....freindly bet you can wash & wax my bike at fayetteville ...dont miss no spots buttercup

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no sir im a lover not a fighter

ok well then badzx14 will be giving you a call shortly im sure.
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Old 11-20-2007, 09:30 AM   #94
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The waiting is over. Today I was present at the local dyno shop where both bikes made it in for a completely unbiased shootout on the dyno. Both bike had nearly identical mileage. 294 on one vs 285 on the ZX-14. Both had been heat cycled several times and had oil changes with 10W-40 oil in both. They also both had 100% pump, 93 octane gas and the rear tire pressure was checked and were within 2 psi. Also both had adjusted chains and they were properly lubed. In other words we did everything possible to ensure the test was as fair as possible.



I own the 2008 Busa and the dyno operator/owner of Dyno Masters in Chattanooga Tn. Mark Hromi owned the ZX-14. Our intentions were to test both bikes stock and run them 3-5 pulls each and then pull them off the dyno and install a Power Commander and map each one at 100% on the DJ250I machine using the Tuning link software and then run them both again for HP/Torque.



The Busa power commander (2007 GSXR1000 PC actually) plugged in just fine and all was well but for some reason the 2006 ZX-14 Power Commander caused the ZX-14 not to run at all. So we were unable to map the ZX-14 . And as you see the air fuel curve on it is really rich and no doubt a lot of power is being lost. You can see exactly at the point the air fuel goes rich the power starts to lose its upward slope and it noses over.



So the first graph is the BEST pull from the 14 and the Busa. And the second run is the before and after on the busa after mapping it with the stock exhaust etc.



I know all the Kawi guys are going to cry foul but personally I dont know what else we could have done to make this fair. Same day, same dyno, back to back runs on a great day with pump gas etc. The dyno is a VERY well maintained machine and the numbers on the busa seem to be very close to the others I have seen reported from Dynojet etc when everybody uses SAE reporting not STD. Also both bikes were bought locally off the dealer floor. These were not sent to me from Kawasaki or Suzuki, these are RETAIL bikes.



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http://www.suzukihayabusa.org/forum/...topic=123123.0
UPDATE on the 14 with the PCIII working:
Day two update. The dyno operator Mark at Dynomasters called me back today and he got the Power commander working. So back to the dyno to map the bike tonight. I did not re run the Busa but here is the graph today with yesterday's 14 data on it too. As you can see the air fuel cleaned up a LOT and the bike gained some HP. He spent over 2 hours mapping the bike to do everything possible to get the most power he could. He also ran it in 4th and 5th gear as someone asked about and it made no difference. So the bike is making more HP but still several short of the Busa even mapped.
We also got another confirmation run today on a different dyno and they too are reporting lower HP on the 2008 ZX-14 compared to the 08 Busa. The dyno reads a little happier than this one but the difference stock for stock was still about 8-9hp. About the same as we saw.
So here is the Dyno of the 14 mapped and notice the Air fuel is now much closer to ideal compared to before.
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So fixing that horrible air fuel curve helped some but....08 busa still on top by 8-9hp on two different dynos.
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Interesting. I am waiting on Brock's comparison to see how they stack up with exhaust, PC, and air filters. Those are the common mods most people do. I would also like to see how these bikes stack up to the new liter bikes in terms of acceleration.
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if it makes yall feel any better i'm sure kawi heavy industries can build a faster bulldozer or a cargo ship than suzuki could...


...well...maybe not the bulldozer...
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:13 AM   #97
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if it makes yall feel any better i'm sure kawi heavy industries can build a faster bulldozer or a cargo ship than suzuki could...


...well...maybe not the bulldozer...
It doesn't matter to me. I am not brand loyal. It's not like I designed the bikes or work for them. I currently have a Kawasaki, Suzuki, and Yamaha in my garage. I have also owned Hondas.
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:50 AM   #98
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everybody shut up and lets go to the track duke it out
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:54 AM   #99
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This whole thread is so immature, childess, and just plain boring. thanks have a nice day...
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Old 11-20-2007, 10:56 AM   #100
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I agree,14s and Busas both suck!
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