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Old 11-15-2007, 10:17 AM   #41
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Stripped of all their rights, including their right to live? I think not. It sucks that people are cross the border illegally and maybe, just maybe we will find a better tactic to keep them from crossing. But, they are leaving their country behind for a reason. They are no different from what our founding fathers did, minus the part of us killing natives by the tribe. Some are bad and some are good, and just like people who rides a bike, because of the few bad apples, THEY ALL LOOK BAD. They ruined it for everyone else. Granted these guys did something wrong but they weren't legal, and if they lived to see the next day they still wouldn't try to file a law suit like other legal criminals with do. They did not deserve to be killed. Maybe held so that officers could handle it in a legal manner.
If they come here to commit crimes against us in our homes, yep, strip the right to live also. They would do the same to us in Mexico if we went over there and broke into their home. You can't deny that. Is that why they want to come steal here? Because we have more expensive goods and people like you would rather put them in jail for free food, free cable, central air and heat, recreational time, and free medical? When you spell it all out, why wouldn't an illegal come HERE to commit crimes. Its like the Hyatt Regency if you get caught.
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"Stripped of all their rights, including their right to live? I think not."

Stripped hardly, THEY CHOSE to put themselves outside the law.
The neighbor acted within the law to defend his neighbors home and property. They gambled, they lost.
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No, but I had had people jump into my backyard and was terrified so I put a board and nailed it on my window, but should I have shot him? NO!
ok, now imagine them getting into your home, look how unsafe you felt from somebody just running thru your back yard.

so here you are, in YOUR castle, that your paying $1000+/mos for, your gonna have $100,000+ into this investment, and now you can't feel safe in it, whats your piece of mind worth.

my parents home got broke into along time ago, they moved out within 1 yr.
my wife's house was broken into and her car keys stolen. back then she was a single mom, barely making ends meet. they stole her sole transportation for her and her kid. they voilated her home. she wasn mentally distraught for yrs let alone the $ bind they put her in.

their deaths are easily justified.
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Stripped of all their rights, including their right to live? I think not. It sucks that people are cross the border illegally and maybe, just maybe we will find a better tactic to keep them from crossing. But, they are leaving their country behind for a reason. They are no different from what our founding fathers did, minus the part of us killing natives by the tribe. Some are bad and some are good, and just like people who rides a bike, because of the few bad apples, THEY ALL LOOK BAD. They ruined it for everyone else. Granted these guys did something wrong but they weren't legal, and if they lived to see the next day they still wouldn't try to file a law suit like other legal criminals with do. They did not deserve to be killed. Maybe held so that officers could handle it in a legal manner.
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I disagree with you there baby, Criminal will be shot breaking into my house
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this time...next time might be a different outcome
Yes, there are always so many different scenario's and I get that. If my life was in serious danger I would hesitate to pull that trigger, but if I had to then I will and after that be miserable because I took someones life. I cannot ever imagine taking someone else's life but I already know the drill, if someone breaks in, never shoot them in the back and always, always make sure you kill them.


I'll just save up for a super bad alarm system and live close to a police department.
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No, but I had had people jump into my backyard and was terrified so I put a board and nailed it on my window, but should I have shot him? NO!
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have you ever thrown a leg over an SS bike?

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I don't think that you are allowed to defend the property of others. I think Texas law only covers your land and property.
I will guess that is the reason the DA will let it go to the grand jury. If they drop it, then there is presedence in the future should it happen again.
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I don't think that you are allowed to defend the property of others. I think Texas law only covers your land and property.
I will guess that is the reason the DA will let it go to the grand jury. If they drop it, then there is presedence in the future should it happen again.
what if the neighbor left the property for the guy to look after???? what then isnt it like his property now?
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You have got to be kidding. They broke into someones home. They violated the place they lived plus they stole things that didn't belong to them. This ain't stupid Europe you do that here you can end up dead. That is the chance they took.

Where do you live because I am sure the criminals would love to hit your house.
no bill...thank you crystalline for giving the theives more incentive for committing crime.
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I don't think that you are allowed to defend the property of others. I think Texas law only covers your land and property.
I will guess that is the reason the DA will let it go to the grand jury. If they drop it, then there is presedence in the future should it happen again.
Exactly, I think it is wrong, but then you could have vigilantes running around shooting people hanging out of windows. BUT, the neighbor did give them a chance to stop and wait for the cops. He did try to detain them like you said Crystal, but they chose to run.
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Ill be watching this one for the outcome...not that it will stop me from doing the same thing given that situation
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what if the neighbor left the property for the guy to look after???? what then isnt it like his property now?
Probably going to have to start signing release forms for your neighbor to watch and defend your property as he sees fit. All going to be legalities.
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I don't think that you are allowed to defend the property of others. I think Texas law only covers your land and property.
I will guess that is the reason the DA will let it go to the grand jury. If they drop it, then there is presedence in the future should it happen again.
Well if that ain't a law, stupid lawman should pass that instead more stupid speed laws. Dang, I want my neighbors to have the right to blow somebody away if they are threatening my family or stealing my stuff. I would do the same for them. That is what you call being a good neighbor. Screw the criminals ESPECIALLY illegal aliens blow their away.
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what if the neighbor left the property for the guy to look after???? what then isnt it like his property now?
No difference...
I don't think that Texas law allows the use of deadly force to protect the property of others. It only applies to you, your family, your property, and other people.
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Probably going to have to start signing release forms for your neighbor to watch and defend your property as he sees fit. All going to be legalities.
no kidding huh
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presuming I recall correctly... us of lethal force (and force etc) in the TX legal code starts out...


'It is a DEFENSE against prosecution'...


§ 9.31. SELF-DEFENSE. (a) Except as provided in
Subsection (b), a person is justified in using force against
another when and to the degree he reasonably believes the force is
immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or
attempted use of unlawful force.

§ 9.41. PROTECTION OF ONE'S OWN PROPERTY. (a) A person in
lawful possession of land or tangible, movable property is
justified in using force against another when and to the degree the
actor reasonably believes the force is immediately necessary to
prevent or terminate the other's trespass on the land or unlawful
interference with the property.
(b) A person unlawfully dispossessed of land or tangible,
movable property by another is justified in using force against the
other when and to the degree the actor reasonably believes the force
is immediately necessary to reenter the land or recover the
property if the actor uses the force immediately or in fresh pursuit
after the dispossession and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the other had no
claim of right when he dispossessed the actor; or
(2) the other accomplished the dispossession by using
force, threat, or fraud against the actor.

§ 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
tangible, movable property:
(1) if he would be justified in using force against the
other under Section 9.41; and
(2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the
deadly force is immediately necessary:
(A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of
arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the
nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
(B) to prevent the other who is fleeing
immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated
robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the
property; and
(3) he reasonably believes that:
(A) the land or property cannot be protected or
recovered by any other means; or
(B) the use of force other than deadly force to
protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or
another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.
§ 9.43. PROTECTION OF THIRD PERSON'S PROPERTY. A person
is justified in using force or deadly force against another to
protect land or tangible, movable property of a third person if,
under the circumstances as he reasonably believes them to be, the
actor would be justified under Section 9.41 or 9.42 in using force
or deadly force to protect his own land or property and:
(1) the actor reasonably believes the unlawful
interference constitutes attempted or consummated theft of or
criminal mischief to the tangible, movable property; or
(2) the actor reasonably believes that:
(A) the third person has requested his protection
of the land or property;
(B) he has a legal duty to protect the third
person's land or property; or
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Exactly, I think it is wrong, but then you could have vigilantes running around shooting people hanging out of windows. BUT, the neighbor did give them a chance to stop and wait for the cops. He did try to detain them like you said Crystal, but they chose to run.
how is that defending your self if they are running away?
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No difference...
I don't think that Texas law allows the use of deadly force to protect the property of others. It only applies to you, your family, your property, and other people.
ARE you sure on this? What about watch programs? What about a citizens arrest?
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