MotoHouston.com MotoHouston.com
Register Members List Member Map Media Calendar Garage Forum Home Mark Forums Read

Go Back   MotoHouston.com > Off Topic (everything else) > Off Topic
Forgot info?

Welcome to MotoHouston.com! You are currently viewing our forums as a guest which gives you limited access to the community. By joining our free community you will have access to great discounts from our sponsors, the ability to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content, free email, classifieds, and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free, join our community!

Register Today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.


FREE MH Decals by MAIL!

Advertisement

Reply
Share This Thread: 
Subscribe to this Thread Thread Tools
Old 11-20-2007, 12:18 PM   #401
txferrari
Banned
 
txferrari's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Katy
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 10,090

Experience: 10+ years











User is banned

.
txferrari is offline   Reply With Quote
Similar Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Man mistakes wife for deer, shoots and kills her bluewave18 Off Topic 27 11-09-2010 10:45 PM
Tualatin Man Accidentally Shoots, Kills Wife NoFear Off Topic 25 12-19-2007 06:43 PM
Advertisement
Old 11-20-2007, 12:29 PM   #402
louisiana954
Senior Member
 
louisiana954's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 1960 area
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 291

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
07 Kawi ZX14









I got blasted the other day....cause i said give it a couple days and its gone turn into a racial thing....but i was called ignorant for doing so....everything in the world we call the freeworld is based on race whether we want to believe or not....its a bad thing but its REALITY! No it should not have been a race thing but it is.....people do a litlle research and look at the statistic for something like this on both sides of the spectrum and tell me if its equal....and if in wrong I will apologize to each and everyone of you.....
louisiana954 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 12:34 PM   #403
louisiana954
Senior Member
 
louisiana954's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 1960 area
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 291

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
07 Kawi ZX14









oh an im NOT saying that the shooting was racially motivated....im saying him being release so soon is where im confused...
louisiana954 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 12:37 PM   #404
txferrari
Banned
 
txferrari's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Katy
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 10,090

Experience: 10+ years











User is banned

.
txferrari is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:01 PM   #405
CaJuNsOuLjA
Resident Glasnost
 
CaJuNsOuLjA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: NW: 249 & Beltway
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 11,106

Experience: 3 years

Bike(s):
*SOLD*...(Pending purchase): 2006 CRF 450






Quote:
Originally Posted by trdvet View Post
What are they going to hold him on? No charges filed yet because it is going to the grand jury. If the grand jury say "yea" then charges will be forthcoming.
That's along the lines of what I was thinkin, I was researching so I could be sure, but he hasn't been formally charged so they were incapable, legally, of holding him any longer...


...as far as the race thing. It will only be a factor as long as we as a people continue to perpetuate it. Trying to make this case racial is taking so many steps in the wrong direction, it should be a crime.
__________________
indifferent0028"They've created a nation of spenders, speculators, and consumers, and they've destroyed the savers, producers, and the investing class that built this country. We're moving from a market-based economy to essentially a planned economy. We're abandoning capitalism and embracing socialism. That's a recipe for disaster." - Peter Schiff

Last edited by CaJuNsOuLjA; 11-20-2007 at 01:04 PM.
CaJuNsOuLjA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:09 PM   #406
louisiana954
Senior Member
 
louisiana954's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 1960 area
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 291

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
07 Kawi ZX14









Scott, Im not saying that the shooting was racially charged...I said in so many words that it will turn into a racial ordeal....I just find it odd that they let him go so soon...after he has murdered two people whether it was justified or not..... and what i was saying earlier before I got blasted as being racist....is that if this had been and african american man he would not have been released so soon.....I just felt in my OPINION that he should not have been released so soon...they had the recording and he clearly stated that he was bout to "kill' em".......Now picture this.....you just robbed someones house...and as you are leaving a guy comes running out of the adjacent house with a shot gun and say stop or im kill you....Do you honestly think that the average criminal would stop....No i dont think so....NOt even the average person would stop....
louisiana954 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:18 PM   #407
louisiana954
Senior Member
 
louisiana954's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 1960 area
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 291

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
07 Kawi ZX14









They have the right to hold him for 24 hours before they release him....All im saying is that it had too much gray area on what happen for him to be released with in hours of it happening....the recording should have been enough to at least hold him through the initial invesitgation
louisiana954 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:23 PM   #408
CaJuNsOuLjA
Resident Glasnost
 
CaJuNsOuLjA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: NW: 249 & Beltway
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 11,106

Experience: 3 years

Bike(s):
*SOLD*...(Pending purchase): 2006 CRF 450






Quote:
Originally Posted by louisiana954 View Post
They have the right to hold him for 24 hours before they release him....All im saying is that it had too much gray area on what happen for him to be released with in hours of it happening....the recording should have been enough to at least hold him through the initial invesitgation
Yeah they have the right to hold him but being that it is a discretionary proceeding and the fact that the decision is usually based upon the defendant's perceived threat to society, they released him, imo, fully justified. Sure there is the possibility that he was released because his handlers were this race or that, but the fact of the matter is...he was no threat to anyone other than the burglars in the mind of his peers as well as the authorities.
__________________
indifferent0028"They've created a nation of spenders, speculators, and consumers, and they've destroyed the savers, producers, and the investing class that built this country. We're moving from a market-based economy to essentially a planned economy. We're abandoning capitalism and embracing socialism. That's a recipe for disaster." - Peter Schiff
CaJuNsOuLjA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:26 PM   #409
Ulric
Dirty Old
 
Ulric's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Spring
Feedback Rating: (1)
Posts: 9,633

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
05 FZ1









The man was NEVER arrested, he was NEVER charged, he was NEVER held.

Supposedly the Grand Jury is waiting for the PD to finish their 'investigation'.


Now...
"and what i was saying earlier before I got blasted as being racist....is that if this had been and african american man he would not have been released so soon."

vs

"...I said in so many words that it will turn into a racial ordeal "

No, in your original post you turned it into a 'racial' deal... and even in your clarfication today your making it into a 'racial' deal. The reality is, that race should not play a factor in it... Race becomes an issue when racists/bigots bring race into it.

Two men broke into a house, stole items from the house. A neighbor witnessed it, called 911...talked too darn much, then went outside to confront them carrying a weapon. The two thieves did not comply with his order, he fired...shooting the two men who died.

...and yes, IF I was leaving a house and someone came at me with a shotgun, right I'd friggin stop. Do I care if the 'average criminal' would stop? No, but then I figure the average criminal gets what they deserve.
People want to talk about was a 'vcr' or what ever was worth their lives?
A vcr or item no... The sanctity of a home, the violation of their home, their peace of mind, the violation of their personal property...yes.
The man did NOT want them to escape, I can't blame him for that. Perhaps if the dispatch could have told him officers were 10 seconds away, something like that it might have helped. Who knows...but I can sympathize and understand him seeing them there invading his neighbors house (realizing it could have been his home), waiting and waiting for the police to arrive... 'knowing'/feeling the PD would not arrive in time and these guys were going to get away. So he went out and confronted them, armed so he could defend himself if they attacked and hoping the threat would lend credence to his order and they would comply.
__________________
"new joke tomorrow..."
Ulric is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:28 PM   #410
Ulric
Dirty Old
 
Ulric's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Spring
Feedback Rating: (1)
Posts: 9,633

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
05 FZ1









Quote:
Originally Posted by louisiana954 View Post
They have the right to hold him for 24 hours before they release him....All im saying is that it had too much gray area on what happen for him to be released with in hours of it happening....the recording should have been enough to at least hold him through the initial invesitgation
Hold him for WHAT? Being a threat to any other thieves that try to break into houses on his street?
__________________
"new joke tomorrow..."
Ulric is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:29 PM   #411
txferrari
Banned
 
txferrari's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Katy
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 10,090

Experience: 10+ years











User is banned

.
txferrari is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:34 PM   #412
louisiana954
Senior Member
 
louisiana954's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 1960 area
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 291

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
07 Kawi ZX14









Ulric, If im not explaining myself correctly....this is why i daid it would be come a racial issue....Because people like Cornell X would simply say as i stated above "If he was a african amer. he would still be in jail...for one reason or another....
louisiana954 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:37 PM   #413
louisiana954
Senior Member
 
louisiana954's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 1960 area
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 291

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
07 Kawi ZX14









My bottom line is whether the shooter was black or white or some where in between...he should not have been released that quick...
louisiana954 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:37 PM   #414
Ulric
Dirty Old
 
Ulric's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Spring
Feedback Rating: (1)
Posts: 9,633

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
05 FZ1









Quote:
Originally Posted by louisiana954 View Post
Ulric, If im not explaining myself correctly....this is why i daid it would be come a racial issue....Because people like Cornell X would simply say as i stated above "If he was a african amer. he would still be in jail...for one reason or another....
I'm reading it wrong in part then, though with the (clarification) other I understand what your getting at. Now if the neighbor had been black, in the same location/setting... no I don't think things would have been different... or we wouldn't be having the race thing we are now.
__________________
"new joke tomorrow..."
Ulric is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:38 PM   #415
louisiana954
Senior Member
 
louisiana954's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: 1960 area
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 291

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
07 Kawi ZX14









I have seen where a battered wife has been held longer than that after killing her husband in self defense....
louisiana954 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:40 PM   #416
CaJuNsOuLjA
Resident Glasnost
 
CaJuNsOuLjA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: NW: 249 & Beltway
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 11,106

Experience: 3 years

Bike(s):
*SOLD*...(Pending purchase): 2006 CRF 450






Quote:
Originally Posted by louisiana954 View Post
"If he was a african amer. he would still be in jail...for one reason or another....
You know, my problem with statements like this is that they are inabsolute statements that, though having some basis in reality at one time or another, have no real way of being validated for this event at this point in time- at least in the absolute, scientific sense. You never know what would have happened given different circumstances, unless they actually happened. Let's get off of the "if's" and deal with what we have before us. My uncle shot a dude in Lake Charles in his backyard at 2 in the morning and didn't serve a second in jail. Circumstances and circumstantial...deal with what can be proved...
__________________
indifferent0028"They've created a nation of spenders, speculators, and consumers, and they've destroyed the savers, producers, and the investing class that built this country. We're moving from a market-based economy to essentially a planned economy. We're abandoning capitalism and embracing socialism. That's a recipe for disaster." - Peter Schiff

Last edited by CaJuNsOuLjA; 11-20-2007 at 01:42 PM.
CaJuNsOuLjA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:42 PM   #417
txferrari
Banned
 
txferrari's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Katy
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 10,090

Experience: 10+ years











User is banned

.
txferrari is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:43 PM   #418
mathews
Senior Member
 
mathews's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: La Grange Texas
Feedback Rating: (0)
Posts: 2,054


Bike(s):
2007 GSXR1000
2005 Hayabusa








So holding a 71yr old man in jail for a longer period would make these past wrongs better?
mathews is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:46 PM   #419
Ulric
Dirty Old
 
Ulric's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Spring
Feedback Rating: (1)
Posts: 9,633

Experience: 10+ years

Bike(s):
05 FZ1









Quote:
Originally Posted by louisiana954 View Post
My bottom line is whether the shooter was black or white or some where in between...he should not have been released that quick...
...and part of my point is why. What he did hit a very sensitive area within the law. He's 70yrs old, disarmed himself sat down, waited for the police. He answered their questions/interview without arguement. Do you somehow think he's a flight risk, or that he's going to go out 'hunting' other people?

..in your example about the battered wife, there is more potential
'history' to examine. She could be a greater flight risk or considerably more unknown details playing into it.
__________________
"new joke tomorrow..."
Ulric is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2007, 01:52 PM   #420
txferrari
Banned
 
txferrari's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Katy
Feedback Rating: (2)
Posts: 10,090

Experience: 10+ years











User is banned

.
txferrari is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Advertisement


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:26 AM.


MotoHouston.com is not responsible for the content posted by users.
Privacy Policy