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Old 11-15-2007, 12:58 PM   #261
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The death penalty hasn't stopped murder crimes, now, has it?
Criminals generally don't worry about the sentence that is handed to them. They figure that there's not enough police around to catch them.

Lets look at the other extreme. The United Kingdom. In the UK it's illegal to defend your home in any way. If someone breaks-in while you're home it's up to you to flee. Hit them with a baseball bat and they can sue you or you can be brought up on charges. It's a f-ed up system. As a result, home invasions are common in more than 50% of burglary cases. Sure, the burglar doesn't die for his actions but he's certain to do it again if nobody is stopping him.

Now let's look at the USA. Less than 10% of burglaries are home invasions. Why? Because the homeowner may be armed. Now let's throw in the new law - maybe the homeowner isn't home but the neighbor may be ... and he might blow you away for breaking into someone's home. I'm anxious to see how these type of incidents will change the crime rate.

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Old 11-15-2007, 12:58 PM   #262
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we are getting off topic but I know a guy (not a friend I might add) who's family races horses. I know they inject them with cocaine before every race. Thats sick.
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Old 11-15-2007, 12:59 PM   #263
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Criminals generally don't worry about the sentence that is handed to them. They figure that there's not enough police around to catch them.

Lets look at the other extreme. The United Kingdom. In the UK it's illegal to defend your home in any way. If someone breaks-in while you're home it's up to you to flee. Hit them with a baseball bat and they can sue you or you can be brought up on charges. It's a f-ed up system. As a result, home invasions are common in more than 50% of burglary cases. Sure, the burglar doesn't die for his actions but he's certain to do it again if nobody is stopping him.

Now let's look at the USA. Less than 10% of burglaries are home invasions. Why? Because the homeowner may be armed. Now let's throw in the new law - maybe the homeowner isn't home but the neighbor may be ... and he might blow you away for breaking into someone's home. I'm anxious to see how these type of incidents will change the crime rate.

I'm not pickin' on ya, but I had to respond to this too.
whaaat? I thought crime was WAAAAAYYYY down in europe...
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too bad these days you might get put in jail for that...sucks what the world is coming to
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would you have shot them though...
I'll use deadly force to protect my property.

Granted, if these teenagers realized that I was home then they probably would've retreated since one of them lived next door (this was a duplex apartment). I would still be prepared to empty some rounds. You never know if they're armed.
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we are getting off topic but I know a guy (not a friend I might add) who's family races horses. I know they inject them with cocaine before every race. Thats sick.
They have strict controls at the track, I am surprised he hasn't gotten caught. He also ruins his expensive investment. What a dumbass.
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I got a lot of catching up to do, Actually, we are getting another mare. An old friend is dying of cancer and he wants me to have his horse.
I'm moving back to La Grange at the end of next month. We run cattle on about 500 acres and first thing I'm diong when I get back is building a nice fenced in area for me to keep horses. My buddy ropes, and I have always wanted to. We live in a golf course community right now, and I sit out in the front driveway roping a dummy, haha. Can't wait to apply it to real riding.
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The thing is he placed himself in the position. I do not agree with people stealing my stuff but, what did they steal from him?
so it's not OK to steal your stuff, but you'll stand by and let them steal your neighbors?
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There is no death penalty for stealing, correct?

So, what makes a regular citizen believe he can take laws into his own hands and punish a burglar for worse than what the state would punish them for?

None of this makes sense to me.
maybe there should be.

if/when the grand jury lets the shooter off W/O charges. you'll knw how society feels, and it will say that people value property over worthless thieves.
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Lets look at the other extreme. The United Kingdom. In the UK it's illegal to defend your home in any way. If someone breaks-in while you're home it's up to you to flee. Hit them with a baseball bat and they can sue you or you can be brought up on charges. It's a f-ed up system. As a result, home invasions are common in more than 50% of burglary cases. Sure, the burglar doesn't die for his actions but he's certain to do it again if nobody is stopping him.

forget overseas... I think massacusetss has similar law.
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9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is
justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or
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(3) he reasonably believes that: ...
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i think that gives him cause right there. if he had reason to believe that he would have been in danger if he tried to recover the property by any means other than the use of deadly force, he's justified.

I can't say I would have killed them, but I can't blame the guy.
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trespassers will be shot, survivors will be shot again..................... just a thought
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i think that gives him cause right there. if he had reason to believe that he would have been in danger if he tried to recover the property by any means other than the use of deadly force, he's justified.

I can't say I would have killed them, but I can't blame the guy.
Wouldn't that also mean OJ was right in using guns to recover his stolen stuff IF it was truly his? Does it have to be in the act? I don't want to get into the discussion of if he is a criminal or not, but looking at the story. If in fact it was his stuff, and he used guns to get it back, was it not justified? Just a thought.
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Wouldn't that also mean OJ was right in using guns to recover his stolen stuff IF it was truly his? Does it have to be in the act? I don't want to get into the discussion of if he is a criminal or not, but looking at the story. If in fact it was his stuff, and he used guns to get it back, was it not justified? Just a thought.
No.. they were not on his property or anywhere near his home. It was not at, or 'near' the time of the 'theft'... nor was he present at the time of the theft to attempt to prevent it.
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I always preferred 'Trespassers will be violated'.
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But it says to recover property? I agree, but loophole?
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so it's not OK to steal your stuff, but you'll stand by and let them steal your neighbors?
I am not very close with my neighbors and I am usually not home in the middle of the afternoon. If you were my neighbor that would probably change things.
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